Border agent makes 3-year-old choose which parent should be sent to Mexico

[Judas18 485]

32 minutes ago, Whispering said:

She is a toddler. Any person with a sense of humanity and intelligence knows that a three year old is not remotely close to being cognitively or emotionally mature enough to handle a decision like this one. 

By the way, they are all legally here, as they were asking for asylum. Whether they get to stay, or not, is left up to a judge (by law)...not to a three year old toddler. 

Child separation would be actually sending BOTH of her parents to Mexico. But the agent didn't do that.

Again you can say it isn't a wise decision. But to instantly demonize his intention is wrong. It could be that he genuinely wanted to know who the girl wanted to stay with in the U.S. The current policy allows border agents to send asylum seekers to mexico. So he could send all of them if he wanted. But instead he allowed the girl to stay with one of her parents that she prefers to stay with.

Funny how you say she can't handle a decision like this, because the article says that because she's more attached to her mother she chose her mom.

It's not like he made her choose one of her parents to be killed. He asked her who she wants to stay with. When I was 4 years old and my parents (both actually) would travel abroad, I was left with members of my family that I liked, in their absence which would last weeks if not months. Is that cruel now?

What is the U.S supposed to do when the system is saturated? The OP complaining here probably doesn't even live in the U.S and doesn't know anything about the backlog it's having. A crisis bigger than anywhere in the world. In fact Canada is harsher on asylum seekers than the U.S. So is Australia.

[Morphine Prince 109,837]

6 minutes ago, Judas18 said:

Child separation would be actually sending BOTH of her parents to Mexico. But the agent didn't do that.

Again you can say it isn't a wise decision. But to instantly demonize his intention is wrong. It could be that he genuinely wanted to know who the girl wanted to stay with in the U.S. The current policy allows border agents to send asylum seekers to mexico. So he could send all of them if he wanted. But instead he allowed the girl to stay with one of her parents that she prefers to stay with.

Funny how you say she can't handle a decision like this, because the article says that because she's more attached to her mother she chose her mom.

It's not like he made her choose one of her parents to be killed. He asked her who she wants to stay with. When I was 4 years old and my parents (both actually) would travel abroad, I was left with members of my family that I liked, in their absence which would last weeks if not months. Is that cruel now?

What is the U.S supposed to do when the system is saturated? The OP complaining here probably doesn't even live in the U.S and doesn't know anything about the backlog it's having. A crisis bigger than anywhere in the world. In fact Canada is harsher on asylum seekers than the U.S. So is Australia.

 

I was born, raised, and live in the US AND live in a border state 

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What kind of fücked up Sophie's Choice post-modern reality are we living in?

[Judas18 485]

1 minute ago, Morphine Prince said:

 

I was born, raised, and live in the US AND live in a border state 

If so, enlighten me.

What should we do about the 800,000 backlog? Just continue allowing more people to come in, so that it becomes in millions?

Many of these people are legitimate asylum seekers, who can't have stable jobs (because EADs are limited in duration), can't go to schools with in-state tuitions (because they can't afford out-of-state tuition, many remain without a degree), can't travel abroad (allowed only in extreme cases subject to entry denial upon return).

And mind you, that yes, most of these legitimate asylum seekers stuck in this huge backlog are ACTUALLY separated from their familes. Their families cannot visit them in the U.S, so long that their claim is pending. And they cannot travel to visit their families either.

So you have many of them who've been stuck here for 5 years and more, without seeing their families and without having any stability in their lives.

Poverty and crime are not reasons for asylum. This special status is granted to people who flee prosecution. The way the criteria kept being broadened broke the system, and made it even a nightmare for legitimate asylum seekers like political refugees and LGBT persons.

[Morphine Prince 109,837]

5 minutes ago, Judas18 said:

If so, enlighten me.

What should we do about the 800,000 backlog? Just continue allowing more people to come in, so that it becomes in millions?

Many of these people are legitimate asylum seekers, who can't have stable jobs (because EADs are limited in duration), can't go to schools with in-state tuitions (because they can't afford out-of-state tuition, many remain without a degree), can't travel abroad (allowed only in extreme cases subject to entry denial upon return).

And mind you, that yes, most of these legitimate asylum seekers stuck in this huge backlog are ACTUALLY separated from their familes. Their families cannot visit them in the U.S, so long that their claim is pending. And they cannot travel to visit their families either.

So you have many of them who've been stuck here for 5 years and more, without seeing their families and without having any stability in their lives.

Poverty and crime are not reasons for asylum. This special status is granted to people who flee prosecution. The way the criteria kept being broadened broke the system, and made it even a nightmare for legitimate asylum seekers like political refugees and LGBT persons.

I don’t need to enlighten anyone. I am not an immigration lawyer or politician. 

This discussion is not even what the OP is about. And apparently posting a thread = complaining now  

Inhumane treatment is despicable. Period. 

[Judas18 485]

6 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

I don’t need to enlighten anyone. I am not an immigration lawyer or politician. 

This discussion is not even what the OP is about. And apparently posting a thread = complaining now  

Inhumane treatment is despicable. Period. 

You see?

I pointed out the problems in detail. All you can come up with is "inhumane, inhumane, inhumane"... no response to any point, which proves my point that you don't have sufficient knowledge about the status quo of this system.

Isn't it inhumane that the lives of people stuck in the backlog are also ruined, because the U.S continues allowing more people in when the system can't handle it? Even CNN admitted the system is in crisis and democrats need to act and limit the criteria.

I'm speaking with knowledge on the issue, because I knew someone in college who had to drop out because his claim was taking too long and he couldn't afford out-of-state anymore. And what's even more cruel about his situation for example, is that right now, new claims take precedence over his claim. So his life is practically ruined. All the new people that come in, will have their cases heard before him (a priority order made to combat fraudulent claims). He will not be able to have a long-term job, go to school or see his family for many years to come.

 

[Morphine Prince 109,837]

2 minutes ago, Judas18 said:

You see?

I pointed out the problems in detail. All you can come up with is "inhumane, inhumane, inhumane"... no response to any point, which proves my point that you don't have sufficient knowledge about the status quo of this system.

Isn't it inhumane that the lives of people stuck in the backlog are also ruined, because the U.S continues allowing more people in when the system can't handle it? Even CNN admitted the system is in crisis and democrats need to act and limit the criteria.

I'm speaking with knowledge on the issue, because I knew someone in college who had to drop out because his claim was taking too long and he couldn't afford out-of-state anymore. And what's even more cruel about his situation for example, is that right now, new claims take precedence over his claim. So his life is practically ruined. All the new people that come in, will have their cases heard before him (a priority order made to combat fraudulent claims).

 

Inhumane treatment is what the OP is about. 

I am not here to discuss the immigration system which I do, btw, think is a disaster. 

But you failed and continue to fail to see the ORIGINAL STORY IN THE OP as inhumane.... which is concerning. Yikes. 

[Whispering 18,865]

30 minutes ago, Judas18 said:

Child separation would be actually sending BOTH of her parents to Mexico. But the agent didn't do that.

Again you can say it isn't a wise decision. But to instantly demonize his intention is wrong. It could be that he genuinely wanted to know who the girl wanted to stay with in the U.S. The current policy allows border agents to send asylum seekers to mexico. So he could send all of them if he wanted. But instead he allowed the girl to stay with one of her parents that she prefers to stay with.

What is the U.S supposed to do when the system is saturated? The OP complaining here probably doesn't even live in the U.S and doesn't know anything about the backlog it's having. A crisis bigger than anywhere in the world. In fact Canada is harsher on asylum seekers than the U.S. So is Australia.

Sofi picked her mother, but NPR reported the children latched on to their father as he was taken to another cell. “But when they started to take [my husband] away, the girl started to cry. The officer said, ‘You said [you want to go] with mom.’” 

“Separating children from their parents can cause devastating, lasting effects. Research on child-parent separation has prompted health experts, including pediatricians and psychologists, to oppose the Trump Administration’s border-crossing policy.

Their heart rate goes up. Their body releases a flood of stress hormones such as cortisol and adrenaline. Those stress hormones can start killing off dendrites — the little branches in brain cells that transmit mes­sages. In time, the stress can start killing off neurons and — especially in young children — wreaking dramatic and long-term damage, both psychologically and to the physical structure of the brain.

“The effect is catastrophic,” Charles Nelson, a pediatrics professor at Harvard Medical School, told The Washington Post. “There’s so much research on this that if people paid attention at all to the science, they would never do this.”

 

This family was removed from Migrant Protection Protocols, citing guidelines that state people with “known physical/mental health issues,” should not be subjected to the program.

 

What should we do? Follow the established laws, while treating human beings with dignity and respect. We have the resources to provide more humane conditions. Trump doesn’t want that. The cruelty IS the goal here.

(Also, you are way off on the OP...stop making wild assumptions)

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This is idiotic. Obviously each child should get to choose TWO criminal codes for their parents to violate with impunity. It’s basic human rights

[Judas18 485]

Just now, Morphine Prince said:

Inhumane treatment is what the OP is about. 

I am not here to discuss the immigration system which I do, btw, think is a disaster. 

But you failed and continue to fail to see the ORIGINAL STORY IN THE OP as inhumane.  

There's nothing inhumane about sending one of her parents to mexico to wait (for a few months, mind you, that newer claims take precedence over older claims now). 

What other asylum seekers are going through because of the backlog is much worse than that, it's family separation for years not few months. I gave you a concrete example. But I guess the media doesn't write about that. Because all they care about is just trying to paint trump administration as cruel. When in reality democrats are just as cruel for refusing to act.

[Morphine Prince 109,837]

1 minute ago, Judas18 said:

There's nothing inhumane about sending one of her parents to mexico to wait (for a few months, mind you, that newer claims take precedence over older claims now). 

What other asylum seekers are going through because of the backlog is much worse than that, it's family separation for years not few months. I gave you a concrete example. But I guess the media doesn't write about that. Because all they care about is just trying to paint trump administration as cruel. When in reality democrats are just as cruel for refusing to act.

YIKES. 

Anyway, you, just like Trump, immediately implied anyone critical of a US policy isn’t American. Nice to know. 

[Judas18 485]

5 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

YIKES. 

Anyway, you, just like Trump, immediately implied anyone critical of a US policy isn’t American. Nice to know. 

Until you educate yourself on the status quo of the asylum system, I suggest you stop cherrypicking stories here and there. We could spend days talking about this story here. But the problem is much bigger than that. And I wish politicians actually focused on fixing the system, rather than obsessively covering these stories with the sole goal of playing politics.

So much energy is put into trying to paint the trump administration as cruel, but no energy is put into fixing the system.

I lean liberal, but to his credit, trump is actually trying to fix the system. He's hired way more judges to speed up the process, and he's trying to limit the number of people coming in, to reduce the backlog.

What are democrats doing? Nothing, just waiting for stories like these to pop up here and there and exploit them politically. Why not offer a deal on the asylum system, which everyone agrees is broken and cannot handle the current flow? They control the House now, why not start a legislative attempt?

[Morphine Prince 109,837]

2 minutes ago, Judas18 said:

Until you educate yourself on the status quo of the asylum system, I suggest you stop cherrypicking stories here and there. We could spend days talking about this story here. But the problem is much bigger than that. And I wish politicians actually focused on fixing the system, rather than obsessively covering these stories with the sole goal of playing politics.

So much energy is put into trying to paint the trump administration as cruel, but no energy is put into fixing the system.

I lean liberal, but to his credit, trump is actually trying to fix the system. He's hired way more judges to speed up the process, and he's trying to limit the number of people coming in, to reduce the backlog.

What are democrats doing? Nothing, just waiting for stories like these to pop up here and there and exploit them politically. Why not offer a deal on the asylum system, which everyone agrees is broken and cannot handle the current flow? They control the House now, why not start a legislative attempt?

The Trump administration does that all on their own, no one is trying. 

You have zero idea of what I know. I wouldn’t discuss a subject with someone who continues to say “educate yourself” to everyone without even establishing how much the other person knows. 

[Judas18 485]

6 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

The Trump administration does that all on their own, no one is trying. 

You have zero idea of what I know. I wouldn’t discuss a subject with someone who continues to say “educate yourself” to everyone without even establishing how much the other person knows. 

Because I laid down all the issues for you in one of my previous posts (see above), and your reply was "i'm not an immigration lawyer".

You don't need to be an immigration lawyer to get a grasp of the complexity of the issue. Do your own research.

And I'm waiting here, what do you think we should do? Whenever you have a suggestion I'll be all ears for it.

Should we continue allowing more people to come in, when 800,000 cases are stuck, can't get long-term jobs, can't travel, can't see their families, can't go to school unless they can somehow pay x3 times the price (obviously they cant afford out of state tuition).

Do we owe it to those 800,000 that we also don't ruin their lives and give them the right to a speedy trial/hearing and adjudication of their claims? Or should we just let everyone in and then ruin their lives by having their cases stuck in the backlog forever?