Tati Didn't Cancel James Charles (Cancel Culture)?

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Let me preface this by saying I wasn't sure if this should be in Entertainment Talk or Conversation, as I believe if fits into both categories. If it needs to be moved mods, feel free to.

 

So, if any of you all have been paying attention to James Charles' socialblade page these last two days, he's back to gaining tens of thousands of subscribers in a day.

https://socialblade.com/youtube/channel/UCucot-Zp428OwkyRm2I7v2Q

With this whole debacle, it really has me wondering about the nature of cancel culture both as it pertains to the James vs. Tati situation and in general. Charles is someone who holds significant influence on children, and he has demonstrated behavior which can be described as predatory towards other men (specifically straight men). Like Tati alluded to in her video, I don't believe he is a good role model for young boys and girls.

Now that the mess seems to have passed, he's back to gaining subscribers on the platform... which I find to be quite concerning.

 

So, I have a question which I think merits discussion: What do you think about cancel culture?

More specifically, do you think it is actually effective in purging the influence of problematic people from the mainstream? Do you think there are more effective measures we can take (especially on social media) to handle potentially deleterious influencers? Etc.

Feel free to talk about anything and everything related to this topic (whether it be about the James incident or the culture in general). I think this topic isn't really discussed enough, and I'm interested in hearing what you all have to say.

 

[uvglo 966]

cancel culture is toxic periodt end of discussion. 

but also in this situation james needs to take a step back & get some real help. for a lot of things

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5 minutes ago, uvglo said:

cancel culture is toxic periodt end of discussion. 

I agree it has the ability to be quite toxic. However, what are the alternatives?

Moreover, I'm concerned because I really am not convinced cancel culture is always that effective to begin with. Someone like James can have tons of scandals, and yet he will continue to be an influencer on the platform. At what point do we (internet culture, society, etc.) draw the line?

 

[Bio 23,538]

5 minutes ago, rumours said:

I agree it has the ability to be quite toxic. However, what are the alternatives?

Moreover, I'm concerned because I really am not convinced cancel culture is always that effective to begin with. Someone like James can have tons of scandals, and yet he will continue to be an influencer on the platform. At what point do we (internet culture, society, etc.) draw the line?

 

At the end of the day it's up to you to follow and watch who you like. Cancel culture is toxic and an ugly side of the new society. If you don't agree with someone's atitude just don't give them views, that's it. Spreading hate on the internet is never the answer.

[FATCAT 59,900]

Cancel culture is just a fancy name for scandals catching up to celebrities. There's nothing new here, it's been happening for ages, it's just that the scandals aren't investigative journalists digging through someone's past, it's normal everyday people (or other celebs).

[BOMSHELL 2,708]

I can’t take the term cancel culture seriously, or any youtube or social media drama tbh. All petty screams for attention 

[Lemon Pie 1,318]

is in Spanish so ...

activate the subtitles

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1 hour ago, FATCAT said:

Cancel culture is just a fancy name for scandals catching up to celebrities. There's nothing new here, it's been happening for ages, it's just that the scandals aren't investigative journalists digging through someone's past, it's normal everyday people (or other celebs).

Thank you for saying this. It’s like no one wants to hold people accountable for their actions anymore. Everything can and will be criticized. It’s what comes with being a public figure. They will always have scrutiny follow them. 

[2School4Cool 6,429]

I don’t agree with the premise of cancel culture because it doesn’t allow for simple human error. People are people, everyone makes mistakes and learns from them, and someone being famous isn’t any exception. It’s one thing to criticize a celebrity for something they’ve done wrong, but to cancel them altogether is more often than not completely unnecessary and unfair. I believe everyone is capable of change. So for example, if someone is an outspoken ally of the LGBTQ+ community and was found making a homophobic statement backstage at some event 5 years ago, that doesn’t mean they deserve to be “cancelled.” Should they be called out? Absolutely. Should they do what they can to make things better and learn from the past mistake? 100%. Do people have a right to be angry? For sure. Do they deserve to be cancelled? Absolutely not, as long as they learn from mistakes and are willing to work on being better moving forward. Of course, this depends on the severity of the individual case.

As for James Charles specifically, the whole situation is so complicated, and I feel like I don’t know him or his scandal well enough to make a fully-educated comment on it. But from what I’ve seen, I don’t think he’s cancelled. I don’t know if he can rebuild what he’s lost over this past week or not, but he’s still got a lot of followers and will at least be successful with them. I just hope for his sake, the sake of those around him, and the sake of the kids that look up to him that he can actually learn something from this and make some personal changes.

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14 minutes ago, 2School4Cool said:

Of course, this depends on the severity of the individual case.

Loved your overall comment btw

This part in particular though is where I start to get frustrated I guess. While there is certainly nuance in each situation that can be analyzed, where do we draw the line? Moreover, how do we make sure that the line is not only fair but is used in an equitable fashion over all those who make mistakes. 

Like... James for example has had other scandals... what about this one led people to “cancel” him? Are there certain actions or behavioral traits that make us more likely to cancel individuals?...

Moreover, it seems like our ability to improve efficiency via technological innovation has stifled our ability to recognize and accept human error. 

 

Sorry for the all the questions and words... this whole “cancel culture” phenomenon has just been something I’ve been thinking about a lot lately. I’m not 100% sure where I stand on it. 

[raragaga 8,119]

who?

[ChromeAngel 3,230]

“Cancel” culture has always existed. It’s just now the internet is our main form of communication and it has become our culture, in a way. We now all communicate together globally.

Whenever people have done shady stuff or stuff that’s disagreeable in the past, society judges them / outcasts them. That’s how that works.

We are definitely more sensitive than previous generations and you can thank the parenting style of our parents and grandparents generation for that. 

[Bt1 5,213]

Hypocrisy needs to be cancel. Tati should be the first. 

 

Your points dont make much sense. He is big with make up, no? He has the same public as Tati? I dont think that his audience is mostly young girls and boys. 

 

And while I dont know that much about the other straight guys, the waiter story makes it clear that he was as much interested in James as James was in him, until a point where he wasnt, which is ok. 

[Bear 7,515]

Cancel culture involves too many people joining bandwagons for the entertainment value of drama, too many people doing it for a sense of moral superiority and nowhere near enough fact checking or rational discussion that ruins it from ever being productive. 

It's become the twitter equivalent of Salem witch trials: a couple of people put forward an accusation and we jump straight to the hanging, and everyone attends the execution because they fancied a day out.

The worst part of it in my opinion is how we're so ready to tear down people's careers on rumours and one sided stories before we've even had chance to verify facts and hear people out (I'm talking in general here over the past 5 years or so, not specifically James charles' case). What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Why do we act like celebrities should be above making mistakes and second chances? 

Imo let the law deal with the legal side of any scandals, and the rest is up to each person to form their own opinion on whether someone is "cancelled". 

[JR Gg 12,985]

1 hour ago, Florin said:

Hypocrisy needs to be cancel. Tati should be the first. 

 

Your points dont make much sense. He is big with make up, no? He has the same public as Tati? I dont think that his audience is mostly young girls and boys. 

 

And while I dont know that much about the other straight guys, the waiter story makes it clear that he was as much interested in James as James was in him, until a point where he wasnt, which is ok. 

And another uneducated comment on the issue defending James' errors.

Okay, but... but... but... hypocrisy should be canceled. Yeah, I agree, but what should be CANCELED first are the ones who have obviously no comprehensive view of the story and taking the "victim"'s side. This "victim" became one because of his own mistakes, not because others called him out.

Tati could've made the video and receive no response or become the one that's canceled because of her 'hypocrisy'. Guess what? It didn't happen, and that's for a reason. You should be friends with this other user on another thread rationalising James' actions.