Dave Rubin lets homophobic guest on show

[TheQueenLG 2,469]

35 minutes ago, Alexander Levi said:

Because the guy yelling and screaming in “pain” that he shook a gay mans hand is so deserving of acceptance and tolerance 

This. The right makes the case that the left isn't inclusive like they claim to be.

FACT: The left is, in general, completely inclusive in regard to things that are out of one's control such as skin color, sexuality, gender, etc... 

When the left condemns or rebukes those that are in opposition to their mission of equality, or those unsupportive of inclusiveness, the right tells the left that they aren't being inclusive. 

The thing to note is that the left is judging people based on their immoral beliefs. Beliefs can change. Sexuality cannot. 

The lesson to be learned is that someone can be inclusive while also rebuking those who are not inclusive. The idea of inclusiveness doesn't necessarily involve including those who have hate for others in their heart. 

I think, if anything, opposing those who are unaccepting is, indeed, in accordance with the spirit of inclusivity. 

But I'm interested in others' viewpoints if anyone would like to share. 

[LordEnigma 11,313]

6 minutes ago, TheQueenLG said:

This. The right makes the case that the left isn't inclusive like they claim to be.

FACT: The left is completely inclusive in regard to things that are out of one's control such as one's skin color, their sexuality, their gender, etc... 

When the left condemns or rebukes those that are in opposition to their mission of equality, or those unsupportive of inclusiveness, the right tells the left that they aren't being inclusive. 

The thing to note is that the left is judging people based on their immoral beliefs. Beliefs can change. Sexuality cannot. 

The lesson to be learned is that someone can be inclusive while also rebuking those who are not inclusive. The idea of inclusiveness doesn't necessarily involve including those who have hate for others in their heart. 

I think, if anything, opposing those who are unaccepting is in the spirit of inclusivity. 

But I'm interested in others' viewpoints if anyone would like to share. 

I guess I agree beliefs can be changed but is it ok to be accepting of beliefs that are derogatory or potentially harm someone to the point of committing suicide? Should I allow my boss to discriminate against me because she holds a moral belief that men shouldn’t be together for the sake of inclusion? 

[Marilyn MonHoe 11,011]

27 minutes ago, SKANK said:

 

You'll notice no one in this thread is criticizing the homophobe, as you suggest, they are criticizing the gay man. Calling him "trash," a "moron," "disingenuous," "uneducated," "ignorant," "self-aggrandizing,"  "hypocrite", a "mouth piece for racists," and "****ing pathetic."

 

No one is criticizing the homophobe because his bigotry is obvious. Everybody is criticizing Dave because he is more insidious and acts like he is interested in actual discourse but he isn’t. He is only interested in upholding the opinions of white supremacists. 

We also notice that you have a penchant for defending racists and homophobes because they bring “different viewpoints” but I guess that is none of our business.

[SKANK 14,288]

9 minutes ago, Marilyn MonHoe said:

I’ve been lurking on this site for a few years now and I’ve seen many of your posts. I could say the same about you and your thinly veiled condescension, acting as if you are somehow elevated than everyone else on this site. If you are interested in rational and level headed discourse then you are doing yourself a disservice but I doubt that you care.

 

You said Dave Rubin wouldn't have a conversation with Kyle Kulinski or David Pakman, because "they will expose him for the moron that he is."

Here is Dave Rubin doing exactly what you said he wouldn't do: having an hour long conversation with both of those men, who are unabashed liberals.

I don't expect you to acknowledge that you were mistaken, but in the future, before you go on tirades against an individual, perhaps you'll consider a more thoughtful approach.

 

 

 

[TheQueenLG 2,469]

 

 

 

Just now, Alexander Levi said:

I guess I agree beliefs can be changed but is it ok to be accepting of beliefs that are derogatory or potentially harm someone to the point of committing suicide? Should I allow my boss to discriminate against me because she holds a moral belief that men shouldn’t be together completely undermining my talents? 

is it ok to be accepting of beliefs that are derogatory or potentially harm someone to the point of committing suicide?

No

Should I allow my boss to discriminate against me because she holds a moral belief that men shouldn’t be together completely undermining my talents? 

No

 

I don't know if you correctly interpreted my post or not, but I definitely agree with you. My post was trying to debunk the right-wing myth that left-wingers are inherently uninclusive because they condemn those that don't believe in equality. Placing blame on those who are in opposition to equality (or inclusivity) is, in my opinion, part of being a person that has the value of inclusivity.  In other words, I was trying to say that there is NOTHING wrong with left-wingers condemning those who don't support equality, and by doing so, the left-wingers are ACTIVELY working in the spirit of inclusivity. 

[KatieJudasGaga4 67,907]

I know that most people on here are talking about Dave, but can we talk about how the other guy compared homosexuals to homelessness and smoking crack? They are not even the same thing.

[TheQueenLG 2,469]

1 minute ago, KatieJudasGaga4 said:

I know that most people on here are talking about Dave, but can we talk about how the other guy compared homosexuals to homelessness and smoking crack? They are not even the same thing.

Not even close to the same thing. That's like saying black people are prone to stealing and Mexicans are prone to being rapists... They're Trumpian talking points that are obviously unequivocally false. 

[Marilyn MonHoe 11,011]

14 minutes ago, SKANK said:

 

You said Dave Rubin wouldn't have a conversation with Kyle Kulinski or David Pakman, because "they will expose him for the moron that he is."

Here is Dave Rubin doing exactly what you said he wouldn't do: having an hour long conversation with both of those men, who are unabashed liberals.

I don't expect you to acknowledge that you were mistaken, but in the future, before you go on tirades against an individual, perhaps you'll consider a more thoughtful approach.

 

 

 

Fair enough he did do these interviews but he has not done anymore of them because he was clearly outclassed. He won’t debate Sam Seder because he is a snowflake who was insulted by him even though Sam has apologized multiple times. And I thought he hated snowflakes? Curious.

In the future before you try to defend someone you should look up their past rhetoric to see if they are worth defending... Dave Rubin is obviously not one of those people.

[Marilyn MonHoe 11,011]

21 minutes ago, KatieJudasGaga4 said:

I know that most people on here are talking about Dave, but can we talk about how the other guy compared homosexuals to homelessness and smoking crack? They are not even the same thing.

That is sick. In the past he has called for a holocaust against black people... clearly a very mentally disturbed conservative. Too bad the right wing love people like him and will not hold him accountable.

[SKANK 14,288]

43 minutes ago, Marilyn MonHoe said:

In the future before you try to defend someone you should look up their past

 

2 hours ago, Marilyn MonHoe said:

Call me when he speaks to people like Kyle Kulinski or David Pakman.... oh wait he’s too afraid to do so because he knows that they will expose him for the moron that he is.

 

 

The irony of you telling me to do research before making a judgment about someone is delectably rich.

 

I stated on the first page of this thread that I don't like Dave Rubin. My defensive of him was motivated by the disproportionate amount of vitriol directed at him.

I value your opinion, but I think we've said our peace, and our conversation isn't really going anywhere productive. So I'm going to end my portion here.

 

[Marilyn MonHoe 11,011]

5 hours ago, SKANK said:

 

 

 

The irony of you telling me to do research before making a judgment about someone is delectably rich.

 

I stated on the first page of this thread that I don't like Dave Rubin. My defensive of him was motivated by the disproportionate amount of vitriol directed at him.

I value your opinion, but I think we've said our peace, and our conversation isn't really going anywhere productive. So I'm going to end my portion here.

 

“This racist, homophobic, misogynist is receiving a lot of backlash therefore I am going to defend him”... what? You say that you don’t like him but your actions say otherwise. If that’s not the case then you are incredibly small minded with one dimensional and juvenile views.

Most of the conversations I’ve seen you have on here are not productive so that’s nothing new. They are contrarian just for the sake of being contrarian as if you having opposing opinions to everyone else makes you seem different and intelligent. That is definitely not the case. And you just proved that to me once again.

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8 hours ago, Alexander Levi said:

I watched the majority of the Joe Rogan one and he did a good job of disagreeing but still being polite.

Also, Ben was doing the most. First he said gay relationships are a sin and then goes to say everyone sins so it doesn’t really matter 🤷🏻‍♂️ He made no case for his “point of view.”

Joe Rogan is extremely open minded and wants to understand why you think the way you think, being offended and shouting at people is not his way. His job is to challenge ur illogical ideas and asks you to explain it and if you cant, he will politely expose you. Remember how Rogan made that NYT journalist look like a joke by being polite?

Edit: Also, Shapiro's position was not extremely offensive to get Joe Rogan offended. Ben supports Gay marriage and Gay rights but he believes that his religion is against that. So by law he supports Gays rights but in his personal life, he believe its a sin.
 

 

[ltlmnstr 2,771]

1 hour ago, Faysalaaa said:

Did I say Ben Shapiro is not homophobic?  

You said he supports gay marriage and gay rights.

He's a pisspoor ally if he is.

He has numerous transphobic videos. He is not someone to deem trustworthy of gay issues. He is a threat. 

[Guest]

8 hours ago, ltlmnstr said:

You said he supports gay marriage and gay rights.

He's a pisspoor ally if he is.

He has numerous transphobic videos. He is not someone to deem trustworthy of gay issues. He is a threat. 

He can be homophobic and still supports Gay marriage and rights. He believes homosexuality is a sin but he also believes it should be allowed, but he opposes it personally. I also did not say hes an ally nor does he claim to be, im sure he would claim the opposite. So yes he is homophobic I always knew this.

[ltlmnstr 2,771]

6 hours ago, Faysalaaa said:

He can be homophobic and still supports Gay marriage and rights. He believes homosexuality is a sin but he also believes it should be allowed, but he opposes it personally. I also did not say hes an ally nor does he claim to be, im sure he would claim the opposite. So yes he is homophobic I always knew this.

You can NOT be homophobic and believe in gay marriage and rights.

He votes for and encourages homophobia against gay people.

This is the most ridiculous stance I have ever heard. Like saying the KKK supports black people.

Quit defending homophobia.