Marina about Gaga (2009)

[NotNightwing 1,677]

She isn't wrong though? It seems pretty transparent that the whole character of "Lady Gaga" is performance art. She is portraying the ultimate pop/rockstar. Just look at her influences, MJ, Bowie, Madonna, Elton, etc.  She takes the things we love and celebrate about these artists and embodies them.

Bowie/Elton - avant-garde artistry, glamrock visuals, authentic musicianship.

MJ - cohesive visual style, crazy choreo and videos, intense live performances.

Madonna - unapologetic sexuality, commercial yet catchy music.

Then she takes the bad things about them, the shock politics, attention seeking outfits, controversies, ego, diva attitude, etc, and she turns them into an extension of her art. It's genius because she can be simultaneously critical of the bad, while also embracing them and using them authentically as her performance art. It's satire that is also 100% honest. 

Even her name extends these themes. "Lady Gaga" is  an oxymoron. "Lady" carries connotations of poise, grace, sophistication, humility, a term that you subconsciously respect. Then "Gaga", the exact opposite, a nonsense word that is childish and carries nothing of value.

It perfectly encapsulates both the public perception of her and who she is trying to portray. Many see her as an icon in the making, with talent, showmanship, artistry, work ethic, and legitimacy that makes them respect her. That's the "Lady" aspect of stardom. Others only see the "Gaga" side. They see her doing attention seeking stunts and making "generic" mainstream music and think her a manufactured singer, nothing more than a figurehead for industry executives.

This is exactly why she will be remembered as a legend.

 

[Illuminati 15,922]

It has been a decade

[LordEnigma 11,313]

2 hours ago, KURUSHITOVSKA said:

I love it when people talk but they're no one no where?

Pressedt over nothing

[LordEnigma 11,313]

2 hours ago, symphonia said:

The sellout who worked with Dr Luke and bombed with her generic songs?

Not everyone is built to be a superstar. Stay bitter and pressed!

Yeah and Gaga worked with R Kelly.... so let’s not act like Marina is terrible 

[Runway 27,876]

4 minutes ago, Alexander Levi said:

Yeah and Gaga worked with R Kelly.... so let’s not act like Marina is terrible 

Gaga worked with a rapist and made of of the best and most influential songs of her discography 

The other woman worked with a rapist and embarrassed herself while doing so... with a critically panned album and flop sales 

[DelusionalGaga 29,581]

24 minutes ago, Runway said:

Gaga worked with a rapist and made of of the best and most influential songs of her discography 

The other woman worked with a rapist and embarrassed herself while doing so... with a critically panned album and flop sales 

People knew about the R.Kelly allegations for years and Gaga defended him back then, saying "the media writes a lot of **** about him". Marina, on the other hand, worked with Dr. Luke in 2010/11 when no one even knew about what he did to Kesha until years later. If anything, it's Marina who has the moral high ground here. If your justification for working with a rapist is the success/reception of the song then you're really a sad person. 

[LordEnigma 11,313]

52 minutes ago, Runway said:

Gaga worked with a rapist and made of of the best and most influential songs of her discography 

The other woman worked with a rapist and embarrassed herself while doing so... with a critically panned album and flop sales 

So because it’s a good song - it’s ok that Gaga worked with a rapist?

Your logic makes no sense 

They have both moved on from these people and you don’t need to drag someone just because you don’t like their opinion from 2009.

[Inferno 2,880]

So to comment on the attitude of the comment and not the comments themselves, I feel like its always good to keep in mind that the people that have these sorts of opinions about Lady Gaga are 9 times out of 10 Madonna fans who grew up idolizing her and her entire package and artistic process, as Marina did. Truly, the majority of Gaga detractors (and I don't feel as though Marinas opinion here is entirely right or wrong for the record she has her prerogative) that I have seen be it in comments or actual professional reviews/critiques for publications have their opinions of her rooted in the fact that they have adorated Madonna their entire lives. Sal Cinquemani from Slant magazine that has reviewed her albums in scores that count for metacritic is a perfect example of that, it always comes back to Madonna. Lady Gagas existence in popular culture disrupts perceptions and assumptions all of these people have had about what Madonna has done within pop culture since her debut and that is at least partially what makes them at the very least critical and sometimes at the very worst vile. It makes them spend their time dissecting why Gaga makes them feel a certain way and looking for any just rationalization to validate it. In case someone tries to drag me for "coming for anyone that has an opinion about Gaga that doesn't s*ck her d*ck" im not knocking anyones right to criticism I mean I think as a fan im pretty damn critical. Im just saying, shes been around for over a decade now and we can now look back at how shes been perceived for these past 10 years and I think its worth noting how a lot of Madonnas longtime fans perceive Gaga and why (theres a lot of them) and how that has affected general perceptions of her. Its not a conspiracy theory, its just the truth. It has.

[Runway 27,876]

1 hour ago, DelusionalGaga said:

People knew about the R.Kelly allegations for years and Gaga defended him back then, saying "the media writes a lot of **** about him". Marina, on the other hand, worked with Dr. Luke in 2010/11 when no one even knew about what he did to Kesha until years later. If anything, it's Marina who has the moral high ground here. If your justification for working with a rapist is the success/reception of the song then you're really a sad person. 

And yet, Gaga won in the end, while marina lost

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Just now, Runway said:

And yet, Gaga won in the end, while marina lost

And yet, you should learn to read to full article where she actually praised gaga instead of being petty

Imagine being bitter about a 10 year old article that you didn't fully read 

[Runway 27,876]

3 minutes ago, Varys said:

And yet, you should learn to read to full article where she actually praised gaga instead of being petty

Imagine being bitter about a 10 year old article that you didn't fully read 

I don’t care about her unknown blog from 2009. I was just replying to that post 

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Just now, Runway said:

I don’t care about her unknown blog from 2009. I was just replying to that post 

And you decided to bring another female down without knowing the context. 

Didn't  gaga thouht you to be kind 

[LordEnigma 11,313]

49 minutes ago, Runway said:

I don’t care about her unknown blog from 2009. I was just replying to that post 

She likes Gaga what are you even upset about?

[Haroon 49,685]

This criticism doesn't seem out of place because it's during The Fame era, but I don't think Marina got that Gaga was playing fame at that stage and that's why it all came off that way, it was intentional

[ShockPop 7,747]

Another brainless "pop star" who claims to be high brow but doesn't even understand satire.

No wonder her career is a flop.