Smother Em Eh 7,125 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 I literally had no idea it was performed live. And the instrumental is fire Get Applause & G.U.Y to 1B views! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilyLark 10,098 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, Inferno said: Burqa is Aura, but instead of the chorus being aura-a-a its burqa-a-a. Same lyrics same concept. I feel like people misinterpret the track simply because it uses the burqa as a metaphor for a lyric, but in actuality has nothing to do with muslim women or the burqa, shes not speaking for them. its literally just a metaphor. you know I can understand....some eye rolling in regards to white feminism maybe playing some part in its conception but I think the message of the song is so vaguely universal and not at all specific beyond the single use of the burqa metaphor. All of that being said, if she were to ever have released it as a single or whatever it would absolutely have caused controversy seeing as its sole existence on the album prompted some people on tumblr to write mini think pieces about it. Which to me were largely sooo melodramatic and ridiculous quite honestly and completely tied to the negative public perception surrounding her as opposed to anything of substance or actual offense. Especially considering Rihanna/Beyonce/Madonna's use of the burqa within their own imagery and personal style not long before "aura"s conception which was met with little to no opposition. It doesn't matter if other singers got away with wearing burqas or an allegory, it was still effed up and cultural appropriation to the max. Yes, the backlash was more severe because at the time Gaga was being dragged by the public non-stop...but it was still wrong. Ratchet is far less severe on the cultural appropriation scale compared to Burqa, but even in 2012 it would still be considered appropriation even if it was a lesser degree than it would be now. And that photoshop image of Gaga with Rihanna, etc. that LM did is cringey AF. The backlash towards Miley's cultural appropriation was over the top, but it doesn't mean it wasn't cultural appropriation. I'm just saying there's a reason she never performs Burqa and Ratchet and why those songs need to rest in graveyard undisturbed imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inferno 2,880 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Just now, LilyLark said: It doesn't matter if other singers got away with wearing burqas or an allegory, it was still effed up and cultural appropriation to the max. Yes, the backlash was more severe because at the time Gaga was being dragged by the public non-stop...but it was still wrong. Ratchet is far less severe on the cultural appropriation scale compared to Burqa, but even in 2012 it would still be considered appropriation even if it was a lesser degree than it would be now. And that photoshop image of Gaga with Rihanna, etc. that LM did is cringey AF. I'm just saying there's a reason she never performs Burqa and Ratchet and why those songs need to rest in graveyard undisturbed. It was not f*cked up. Period. You can argue her wearing a burqa as fashion in general, fine, but the song itself is not and was not offensive. She performs Aura at Enigma, Burqa is literally Aura with burqa as the chorus instead of aura. Its the same thing. Call out culture can be so....absurd honestly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilyLark 10,098 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 I agree that call out culture can be over the top and the Burqa backlash was over the top, but also think it was wrong and full of cultural appropriation. Peace. We're just going to have to agree to disagree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumzy3000 7,307 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 39 minutes ago, LilyLark said: It sounds like a song straight out of Miley's Bangerz era, which she got dragged for cultural appropriation. And the photoshop images LM make to go with this track are way worse than the actual song or including singers that weren't on the track (it was only Azaelia, no one else). I think Azaelia, ironically enough, co-wrote the song, and tbf cultural appropriation was discussed differently in 2012 than it is in 2019 but it still is ignorant. Gaga rarely has guest tracks and even fewer get released, and Red Flame and Telephone, with Azaelia and Bey, have no cultural appropriation at all so this was out of left field. In terms of cultural appropriation, Burqa is far worse. But both these songs belong in the trash, and there's a reason she never performed them/only performed them once and never officially.released them (if Burqa is legit...I've heard it might not be). I think Burqa is way worse too. Lady Gaga, a white catholic woman from NYC is going to sing a song called Burqa that is produced by Israeli artists Infected Mushroom (Not that I am against Israel but there is definitely some bad blood between Israel and Muslims due to the whole Palestine/Gaza conflict). Imagine if it was released as Burqa and the song was right after or before Swine in the album and during the performance, she combines Swine and Burqa togeather (Muslims cannot eat pork)... Deep down, I feel like Gaga was going to do this in order to create insane amounts of controversy originally but then she or her label decided not to due to the negative attention it would get. trolly troll troll Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilyLark 10,098 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, gumzy3000 said: I think Burqa is way worse too. Lady Gaga, a white catholic woman from NYC is going to sing a song called Burqa that is produced by Israeli artists Infected Mushroom (Not that I am against Israel but there is definitely some bad blood between Israel and Muslims due to the whole Palestine/Gaza conflict). Imagine if it was released as Burqa and the song was right after or before Swine in the album and during the performance, she combines Swine and Burqa togeather (Muslims cannot eat pork)... Deep down, I feel like Gaga was going to do this in order to create insane amounts of controversy originally but then she or her label decided not to due to the negative attention it would get. Yep, completely agree. I always figured she was not in a good place during Burqa and much of the whole era in general. The song with Azaelia was Miley-esque cultural appropriation, would be seen as worse now than it was in 2011, but ultimately I see how it came about especially as it was to partner with Red Flame (the photoshop jobs the Little Monsters do tho to go with the track...so cringey and way worse than the actual song). Burqa, however, even if is just an allegory and other artists were using the imagery at the time...I can't see how in the h*Il anyone thought it was a good idea or how it came about. There's no reasonable explanation. I feel like she probably had a lot of yes men, and the label finally put their foot down. She, frankly and I'll get dragged by some fans, was making some bad decisions and seemed high out of her mind half the time during the era—even if I can appreciate a lot of ARTPOP. Some of her old team left, Bobby came in right after ARTPOP dropped, and all of the sudden, with the exception of the wild SXSW performance, she seemed way more sober and making better choices. DWUW video was also dropped immediately and she stopped hanging with Terry, etc., as soon as Bobby came in and as soon as Terry got exposed. My tin foil theory is that he encouraged her/helped her get sober and got some of the yes men/women out of her life. Her live performances also seemed way better later on in the ARTPOP era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derpmonster 22,412 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 She looks so cute in that first video using her low speaking voice trying to "rap" Check out iTunes data & graphs at CHARTPOP.live Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumzy3000 7,307 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, LilyLark said: Yep, completely agree. I always figured she was not in a good place during Burqa and much of the whole era in general. The song with Azaelia was Miley-esque cultural appropriation, would be seen as worse now than it was in 2011, but ultimately I see how it came about especially as it was to partner with Red Flame (the photoshop jobs the Little Monsters do tho to go with the track...so cringey and way worse than the actual song). Burqa, however, even if is just an allegory and other artists were using the imagery at the time...I can't see how in the h*Il anyone thought it was a good idea or how it came about. There's no reasonable explanation. I feel like she probably had a lot of yes man, and the label finally put their foot down. She, frankly and I'll get dragged by some fans, was making some bad decisions and seemed high out of her mind half the time during the era—even if I can appreciate a lot of ARTPOP. Some of her old team left, Bobby came in right after ARTPOP dropped, and all of the sudden, with the exception of the wild SXSW performance, she seemed way more sober and making better choices. DWUW video was also dropped immediately and she stopped hanging with Terry, etc., as soon as Bobby came in and as soon as Terry got exposed. My tin foil theory is that he encouraged her/helped her get sober and got some of the yes men/women out of her life. Her live performances also seemed way better later on in the ARTPOP era. 110% agree with you. She was in a very bad and fragile place during and before the ARTPOP era even started. She broke her hip and was high on weed and her team was using her like crazy. No wonder she couldn't make ARTPOP as successful as her previous albums no matter how hard she tried. I love ARTPOP but this was a messy era for Gaga. I feel like Joanne and ASIB have been a giant physical and mental cleanse for her and I am so happy about that. She needed to die down a bit in the public eye and reinvent herself and she is kicking ass right now with ASIB and Shallow. trolly troll troll Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyVersace 8,993 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 5 hours ago, FfFfFfFF said: An Italian woman sampling a French song. World Wars are shaking. LOLOL I meant her usage of the word "ratchet" and trying to do hip-hop Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThicccthighGaga 7 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 3/30/2019 at 9:35 AM, JohnnyVersace said: The fact that it might have started with an Edith Piaf sample makes my bussy wet tbh. But looking back, this could have a cultural appropriation **** storm if not done well. well Gaga does have some french descent so... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreu 37,216 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 the song is A BANGER just for the instrumental. Just like JnD. DJWS makes reeeeeeally good work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyVersace 8,993 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 9 hours ago, ThicccthighGaga said: well Gaga does have some french descent so... I mean her releasing a rap/trap song called "Ratchet" and being accused of appropriating black culture Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThicccthighGaga 7 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 On 8/12/2019 at 10:52 AM, JohnnyVersace said: I mean her releasing a rap/trap song called "Ratchet" and being accused of appropriating black culture oh ok Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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