andy232000 12,642 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 First of all, congrats to Gaga on her Best Original Song Win! Im SO happy she won for such a deserving song! Overall this years Oscars were very predictable, with a few upset (Glenn im SO sorry), and just like the past awards, ASIB very much lost almost all awards. Its interesting to me how when the movie first came out, it was a clear front runner for the Academy. But as time went on, it was obvious that the Oscars campaign went south at some point of the way. To me, there are two fundamental flaws in Warner Brother’s strategy for ASIB that basically cost them all the awards. 1.) Not going for a social or political lens 2.) Submitting ASIB, Bradley and Gaga for the Drama categories instead of the Comedy/Musical comedies prior to Oscars 1.) I know what you guys are thinking...”ASIB is incredibly social! It talks about alcoholism, substance abuse, co-dependency, liability ect...” YES ITS TRUE! But when did WB push this perspective during its campaign? 90% of their narrative was the old and tired “Singer turned Actress” and “Star-crossed Lovers”. Up until the Critics Choice awards no one from the movie had mentioned anything about alcoholism or the themes above. I believe that this was a fatal flaw in the process because people started to see that compared to the other nominees, ASIB had little to no substance or depth in the current political or social climate. That, combined with Gaga and Bradley constant showering of love just polarized the voters until they started to appreciate the more politically and marginally driven films and actors. We all know that Best picture is never about the best film, but about the more controversial or political driven movie. Take a look at the other nominees and how they were presented to the voters: Green Book: Relationship between an African american and a white man and how they deal with race power relationships Black Panther: The first marvel blockbuster film to feature and all black cast Blackkklansman: The story of the first detective who infiltrates into the KKK Bohemian Rhapsody: The life of a beloved musical genius and an exploration of his life, sexuality, health (AIDS) and death The Favorite: Historical Comedy with a twist for a lesbian exploration between royal family members Roma: The struggles and daily life of a Mexican domestic employee with indigenous heritage Vice: Biopic about the USA most well known vice-president (The only other dilm that did not focus on race or social issues) All other nominees, or at least the ones who put an effort in the race,in some form, exploited the race/political/social themes of their movies. The sad part about it is that ASIB does have a TON of themes like such. Had WB gone for something like: ASIB: the clasic remake between a pair who live the highest of highs through their love and music, and the lowest of lows through their co-dependency and substance abuse. Maybe the Academy would’ve taken a second look towards the film when voting. However, they scratched that and went for the “Lady Gaga in a movie”! Campaign and well...we know how that turned out 2.) Submitting ASIB for the Drama Categories in previous award shows instead of the Comedy Musical ones. Since the beginning this was seen as a very interesting and bold move. Many, fans included, thought it was a mistake. Others though it showed how WB was taking this movie’s campaign seriously as the films competing in Drama are considered more “deep”. At first I didnt mind this at all, but after a few articles started to pop up about how Academy Members were not voting for ASIB because it had lost all previous awards it got me thinking...Had Gaga and Bradley been submitted for the Comedy/Musical categories at the GG/CC/SAG/, they would have had better chances at the Oscars. Competition in those categories was significantly less harsh as the Drama categories, and Gaga and Bradley could’ve won their nominations. Having won previous awards makes them look more deserving, prompting the Academy members to give their choice a second thought. EDIT: Like other user pointed out. Had this movie come out sometime in november-december, the hype would have helped too —————————————————— What do you think? Would things have gone differently if this points were considered? I also want to say this is not a thread bashing Warner nor ASIB! Im very happy for their efforts and this has been one of the best Gaga eras and years in her career. It was such an accomplishment and it should not be undermined nor defined by awards. Im just intrigued about how the politics and strategy for the Oscars is more important than the movie itself, and consider it to be something interesting to look at and analyze! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loopy 1,089 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Released too early in October, #3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy232000 12,642 Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 Just now, Loopy said: Released too early in October, #3. Ugh actually this too! Had this been released after Bohemian Rhapsody the hype would have helped Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MsSwan 1,379 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Flaws? Pretty sure it won an Oscar for her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loopy 1,089 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Just now, andy232000 said: Ugh actually this too! Had this been released after Bohemian Rhapsody the hype would have helped I would've actually released it the same weekend! For good measure! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy232000 12,642 Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 Just now, MsSwan said: Flaws? Pretty sure it won an Oscar for her. Their win to lose ratio was pretty bad tho? Thats something no one can deny. Plus Shallow won thanks to its music. The film itself did nor win a thing pls read the thread, this is not meant to undermine what the Film did win but why if didnt win the rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCHEISSEMONTRE 2,783 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, andy232000 said: Comedy Musical How does suicide equal comedy...... Mychal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBannedShadow 3,301 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 You wrote an essay, good for you! I don’t care that it didn’t win more Oscars. We’ve got the Oscar for Shallow and a Best Actress nomination. That is a card we always get to pull. Finally! She will win Best Actress at one point. For a role that has more depth and will be more deserving. The only award I wanted Bradley to win was Best Actor. He’s an amazing actor and definitely outshined Gaga in the movie. What made Gaga shine equally bright as Cooper (besides their chemistry) was her stage presence and singing. The campaign might have had some flaws when it comes to Bradley’s recognition and success. But that is not the case with Gaga. Before the Venice premiere, most people thought it would be a flop, but instead it skyrocketed her to new heights. She outpeaked herself on unfamiliar territory - none off us thought she was able to captivate such a wide audience. This solidified her as a World wide household name..., this made her a Legend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy232000 12,642 Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, SCHEISSEMONTRE said: How does suicide equal comedy...... Comedy or musical...its suicide but theres still music on the film Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilyLark 10,142 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 This is all correct, although it peaked too early and that was the main issue more than anything else. But at the end of the day, I think nominations and a huge box office outweighs wins, as a later release date would have hurt the box office because so many films come out in late November-Jan. Also, Bradley, at least according to Vulture, kind of annoyed people by going only for the directing nod at first and not really trying for acting. Apparently that "miffed" the actors branch. Petty and dumb, but much of the campaigning is petty and dumb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miel 15,009 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, andy232000 said: Comedy or musical...its suicide but theres still music on the film Also, odd that comedy and musical tend to be lumped together, categorically. 3 points in and ready for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitter 14 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 The 2 flaws in AS- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichAssPiss 4,997 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 I think the campaign was flawless and Gaga did absolutely everything right. I think A Star Is Born just had so many hurdles (a third-remake starring a novice actress with a first-time director) which made the nominations themselves such an unreal accomplishment. Ultimately, it did not finish first in any category but song. People liked it but just not enough for it to win.That's really it. But several thousand actors in the Academy did respect Gaga's.performance enough to nominate her as an actress. It's an achievement in itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tom Nook 37,820 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 I think no matter what how well they campaigned it wasn’t going to sweep the awards as easily as say La La Land Uh Red Wine... Convict... Gah Gah... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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