DiscoHeaven23 35,007 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Admin said: This makes no sense and you are just proving their point by comparing its sales to flop albums. It's 2019. Album sales are dead. They don't matter. Streams do. I'm writing this while streaming "break up with your girlfriend" on Spotify for a 248th time. How am i proving their point? the comparison to Sweetener shows that it’s selling less than an album released only 6 months ago. Therefore streaming hasn’t become that much bigger in just six months. So her ability to sell albums has gone down with this one. furthermore, rainbow and melodrama were albums released not that long ago as well. Singles wise, i believe Ariana to be bigger than Kesha and Lorde in the last 2 years. So I’m pointing out that it’s odd that they’ve sold the same physical copies. Streaming has been used since 2013, and it hasn’t increased an exponential amount since just mid-2017. im not here to knock Ariana down. I’m a fan. But what i am saying is that, yes. Thank u, next has low physical sales for what one would expect. furthermore, album sales aren’t dead. They still matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babel 41,595 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 If predictions become true, Ariana is underperforming for the new standard OR ASIB smashed for the same reason. This could mean one thing or the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin 24,441 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, DiscoHeaven23 said: the comparison to Sweetener shows that it’s selling less than an album released only 6 months ago. Again, the format people are consuming an album is irrelevant. There are plenty of factors that can influence this. Sweetener was a more traditional release with televison promotion during release week, while TUN is clearly Internet-driven, not to mention that it is way more targeted at a hip-hop audience which tends to stream. A Star Is Born is selling CDs because it targets an older audience. Lana Del Rey sells a shitload of vinyls because she's popular with indie audience. But all of that is irrelevant to measuring an album's overall popularity. Sweetener did 230k units. TUN is doing 300k units. How people chose to consume those units is irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babel 41,595 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Also, fun fact regarding pure album sales “decline”: Joanne (2016) pure album sales: 171 000 (201k total). ASIB (2018) pure album sales: 165 000 (231k total). Only 6k decrease, two years later. The consistency. The upgrade. The exploding into her 30s. We stan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoHeaven23 35,007 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Admin said: Again, the format people are consuming an album is irrelevant. There are plenty of factors that can influence this. Sweetener was a more traditional release with televison promotion during release week, while TUN is clearly Internet-driven, not to mention that it is way more targeted at a hip-hop audience which tends to stream. A Star Is Born is selling CDs because it targets an older audience. Lana Del Rey sells a shitload of vinyls because she's popular with indie audience. But all of that is irrelevant to measuring an album's overall popularity. Sweetener did 230k units. TUN is doing 300k units. How people chose to consume those units is irrelevant. I understand, i just feel that streaming gets far too much credit. Like billboard shouldn’t count it as much as it’s worth. One part of streaming/sales calculation when it comes to Billboard that bugs me is when it comes to buying a song. So say my mom buys “Shallow” on iTunes and then downloads it and listens to it 100 times a day. Then say my little sister (i don’t have one lol, but just say) goes on Spotify and listens to “7 rings” 100 times a day. The song that is going to end up getting the most points at the end of the week on Billboards chart is going to be 7 Rings. thats because Billboard isn’t seeing all of those times my mom is listening to Shallow on her iTunes, but it is seeing all those times my sister is listening to 7 Rings on Spotify. generationgs tend to consume music differently now. it seems like the way the system is set up now, benefits those who are streaming artists and not sales artists Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nattuggla 21,816 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, Vegas said: Also, fun fact regarding pure album sales “decline”: Joanne (2016) pure album sales: 171 000 (201k total). ASIB (2018) pure album sales: 165 000 (231k total). Only 6k decrease, two years later. The consistency. The upgrade. The exploding into her 30s. We stan. Imho Gaga can manage to outdo ASIB's 1st week predictions (SPS) with LG6 if Gaga profits from the ASIB hype and release LG6 this year...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babel 41,595 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, Admin said: Again, the format people are consuming an album is irrelevant. There are plenty of factors that can influence this. Sweetener was a more traditional release with televison promotion during release week, while TUN is clearly Internet-driven, not to mention that it is way more targeted at a hip-hop audience which tends to stream. A Star Is Born is selling CDs because it targets an older audience. Lana Del Rey sells a shitload of vinyls because she's popular with indie audience. But all of that is irrelevant to measuring an album's overall popularity. Sweetener did 230k units. TUN is doing 300k units. How people chose to consume those units is irrelevant. paying at least 11.99 dollars for just one body of work will never be equal to streaming an album on loop using Spotify free version for background music at the bar/gym/you call it. The later of course is less valuable and meaningful of the brand of the artist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin 24,441 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, DiscoHeaven23 said: One part of streaming/sales calculation when it comes to Billboard that bugs me is when it comes to buying a song. So say my mom buys “Shallow” on iTunes and then downloads it and listens to it 100 times a day. Then say my little sister (i don’t have one lol, but just say) goes on Spotify and listens to “7 rings” 100 times a day. The song that is going to end up getting the most points at the end of the week on Billboards chart is going to be 7 Rings. Pretty sure that's not true because I think 1 sale equals more than 100 streams (I could be wrong). Anyway, that's a different issue which isn't even an issue really considering how few people buy songs anymore. What's a number one song is selling these days? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin 24,441 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Vegas said: paying at least 11.99 dollars for just one body of work will never be equal to streaming an album on loop using Spotify free version for background music at the bar/gym/you call it. Not really. It's just a means of consuming music. People don't spend $11.99 on an album because they love it so much, people do it because that's the way of listening to music they're used to because that was the only (legal) way to listen to an album before streaming. That's it. (Not to use it as a way to prove a point but I have a friend who still buys every song he wants to hear on iTunes. He spends like $200 every month on music when he could get a subscription for $10, but he's just lazy.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin 24,441 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Anyway, my point is that all of this is like arguing that Gaga is a flop because she didn't sell a lot of cassette albums. I'm pretty sure most of Ariana's fans have never even seen a CD in their lives and were like 5 when iTunes sales were relevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Heart 15,041 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Was expecting her to do more. ▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doppelganger 3,973 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 The numbers are not as high as i had expected coming off a string of #1 singles ... but what really matters is longevity right? Her streams are insane though ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemonade 2,382 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 This must be a vast underestimation! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DameGaga 1 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 word. hope she can pull those numbers up even higher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIKELADYAGAGA 4,080 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 10 hours ago, DiscoHeaven23 said: I understand, i just feel that streaming gets far too much credit. Like billboard shouldn’t count it as much as it’s worth. One part of streaming/sales calculation when it comes to Billboard that bugs me is when it comes to buying a song. So say my mom buys “Shallow” on iTunes and then downloads it and listens to it 100 times a day. Then say my little sister (i don’t have one lol, but just say) goes on Spotify and listens to “7 rings” 100 times a day. The song that is going to end up getting the most points at the end of the week on Billboards chart is going to be 7 Rings. thats because Billboard isn’t seeing all of those times my mom is listening to Shallow on her iTunes, but it is seeing all those times my sister is listening to 7 Rings on Spotify. generationgs tend to consume music differently now. it seems like the way the system is set up now, benefits those who are streaming artists and not sales artists I'm sorry but do you realize how many streams equate to one album sale on Billboard? Billboard created their metrics based on the the very situation you described. They wanted to have streaming and sales be as equal as possible in terms of worth to the charts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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