Quartz 12,535 Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Admin said: If it could have, it would have. If it was featured in the first trailer and was released as the first song, maybe it would have Inside, we are really made the same. š Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartz 12,535 Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Kitsch said: The fact that Shallow is so heavily featured in the trailer and released as the lead single though. Because I believe it was there to create buzz, not to be released. But what do I know? š Inside, we are really made the same. š Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Quartz 12,535 Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Timmers said: I love this theory and it's definitely backed up by the promo single history in her career,Ā but want to add some intelĀ to the OP if that's okay. BTW: 1) Marry The Night was supposed to be the first single. That's what Gaga wanted, anyway. At least that's what everyone on this forum back in 2011 believed or had heard in an interview or whatever. My theory is that she wanted MTN before Born This Way was a whole concept for the album. 2)Ā Judas wasn't a label pick as far as we know, that was Gaga's choice, too. She wanted to be controversial, and she seemed so excited about the song. She had so much control over that song that she made the single art using a friggin Word document and a cellphone camera, andĀ the label didn't fight her. 3) Not a correction but want to say you're spot on about You & I. It did extremely well but was a label decision to try and duplicate the success of TEOG, and we missed out on more of Gaga's vision because of it. I vaguely remember her saying she wanted Government Hooker as a single, too.Ā ARTPOP:Ā This era was ruined before the DWUW / Venus switcheroo.Ā Applause was not as big a hit with the GP as we convinced ourselves it was. The promo for it was HUGE so it felt like a massive moment in her career, but talk is not the same as success. The song suckedĀ compared to every previous lead single (JD, BR, BTW), the GP didn't understand a lot of the lyrics,Ā andĀ she was faking being into it. She has admitted before that she was rushed to come up with the video concept and film it, and she was rushed to perform while still in pain and recovering from her surgery. Even more upsetting is that she doesn't like the song. She said in an interview (sorry it's been too long to remember which one)Ā that she was against ever releasing Applause, but Troy thought it would be a huge hit with fansĀ and on radio and droveĀ her to put it on the album. Then he went into a meeting with the label to talk about what she wanted for theĀ lead single, and by the end of the meeting they'd agreed on Applause instead of the song she wanted him to fight for. She wasn't even in the meeting if I remember correctly. If it were up to her, the first single would have been Aura, then Venus. I don't know if she's ever said that publicly about Aura, but according to someone in her inner circle that I've been friends with since 2013, that's the reason she leaked Aura (the good version where she's kind of screaming the verses,Ā not the album version where she's talking). I think sheĀ thought of it as the next "holy **** what direction is Lady Gaga taking" single like BadĀ Romance was, where for weeks radio and the GP wouldn't stop talking about this new sound and what it saysĀ about the upcoming album. It also best reflected the original, experimental version of the album that she was working on before she broke her hip. She did NOT want our first taste of the album to be Applause, but it was clear that the label would never push Aura to radio. So Venus was definitely her chance to be "that" Gaga again, like you said.Ā Lastly, to the user who told the OP to get a life: news flash, Gaga is a huge part of life for some of us. Don't yuck our yum. First graders have better manners than you.Ā Great insight! Thanks for supplementing the parts I'm lacking. I also heard about Aura being picked by Gaga as the lead single, but I also heard she wanted Sexxx Dreams to be the lead of ARTPOP; so, at this point, I'm like Gaga what?Ā ARTPOP really was an explosion. Management, the team, the visuals; all a disarray. In a way, I'm thankful for this era because this was when Gaga found her artistry: the most primal artistry that's left hidden in the deepest parts of her. I doubt we would even be getting ASIB without ARTPOP's demise (Bradley would never see Gaga doing jazz because Gaga wouldn't do jazz if ARTPOP were a success). Too bad we never got Venus. Back then, I was all for switching to DWUW. But looking back, Venus could have been a pop MOMENT. Gosh, I'm so proud of her. Inside, we are really made the same. š Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartz 12,535 Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 hour ago, hausofcy said: What a nice read! Your analysis is great up until the last part. INLA would never be biggen than shallow. Itās a very good emotional (one of my fave) gaga songs but you canāt deny the similarities to IWALY. I think shallow became as big as it has is just of how unconvential this song is. Thatās why itās a hit and serves longevity That might be. At this point, we may never knowĀ Inside, we are really made the same. š Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartz 12,535 Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 hour ago, ImTired said: I'm sorry, but they included Shallow in the first trailer and it blew up from there. I think they knew that all plansĀ were off with any other song on the soundtrack after the "AhhhhhhhhhhaaaĀ Ahhhhh ahhhhh" thing took off after thatĀ first trailer. AND they released it a week early for Grammy eligibility. They knew it was THAT hit... But that's my point. The buzz single replaced the supposed lead single. Now, Shallow is a great success, but I have a nagging feeling that INLA would have been bigger if it wasn't overshadowed and released first. But hey, what do I know? Inside, we are really made the same. š Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartz 12,535 Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Serial Chiller said: Oh please, INLA is cute and all but Shallow is iconic. Also, the second song to be in line for success would be ARUTW, if it was pushed. I mean the stats speak for themselves.Ā I mean, you're not wrong. I'm not really arguing that Shallow ain't iconic. I'm saying this is another case of a buzz single turning into an official single Gaga moment. Inside, we are really made the same. š Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartz 12,535 Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 hour ago, ARPiT said: Agree with everything, except INLA will never be as big as Shallow no matter what! Ā I really believe INLA could have been bigger if it were pushed first. But, of course, this is mere speculation on my part Inside, we are really made the same. š Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImTired 3,955 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, hellothing said: But that's my point. The buzz single replaced the supposed lead single. Now, Shallow is a great success, but I have a nagging feeling that INLA would have been bigger if it wasn't overshadowed and released first. But hey, what do I know? The trailer was released months before the song though is what I was getting at. It wasn't aĀ mad scramble against some sort of predetermined schedule of singles. (TEOG and DWUW). Plus, it must be hard to choose when every song on an album is amazing.Ā Going with Shallow, which had already made a huge public impact is pretty smart and practical. And it's now one of her signature hits!Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartz 12,535 Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 hour ago, BenG said: INLA would have been dubbed the poor man's version of a Whitney ballad. Shallow was fresh and unique, and it can stand on its own. That alone makes it much better than INLA. ...but I'm not really comparing their quality though. I never said INLA was better than Shallow. What I'm saying is, they wanted INLA as the hit to be pushed for the Oscars, not Shallow. It's not a debate on quality, it's a debate on intent Inside, we are really made the same. š Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartz 12,535 Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 hour ago, That J said: "Alot of people compare Madonna's work with Lady Gaga's, and in most cases the younger model has found ways to do it bigger, weirder and more disturbingly than her predecessor. But there is one place where Gaga can't hold a candle to Madonna, and that's pissing off the Catholic Church. Back in 1989, Madonna's "Like a Prayer" managed to getĀ the Vatican to release a statementĀ condemning the video as blasphemous. Down the line, it was voted the most groundbreaking music video of all time. Lady Gaga was trying to cash in on some of that controversy with her new song "Judas," but ultimately the video was too confusing to upset anyone. The narrative is pretty straightforward: Jesus is a Latin biker who goes clubbing with Mary Magdalene (Gaga). He and Judas get into a bar fight. It just doesn't have the same sacrilegious flavor of "Like a Prayer": In straight narrative terms it's more like one of those corny "updated" Bible stories you'd hear in Sunday school. Catholic League president Bill DonohueĀ wouldn't even deign to call the video "anti-Catholic": In her "Judas" video, Lady Gaga plays fast and loose with Catholic iconography, and generates several untoward statements, but she typically dances on the line without going over it. Perhaps that is because the video is a mess. Incoherent, it leaves the viewer more perplexed than moved. The faux-baptismal scene is a curious inclusion, as is her apparent fondness for the Jesus character. But if anyone thinks the Catholic League is going to go ballistic over Lady Gagaās latest contribution, they havenāt a clue about what really constitutes anti-Catholicism. Lady Gaga probably had a whole statement prepared for when the church condemned her, about the rights of artistic freedom or some such. Now she's going to have to save that until her next video, when she is forced to kiss a girl or promote condom use in order to provoke a reaction." That was the consensus of the Judas video, which is one of my fave videos ever by the way.Ā Ā However, the JUDAS saga is ONLY controversial to people in the fanbase. It wasnt big news at all.Ā Lol.Ā The single was a top ten hit so it is even hard to call it a flop. The Edge Of Glory which followed it was a big hit for Gaga.Ā The only issue around this time was too much too soon. She was EVERYWHERE and needed to take some time away to not exhaust the market.Ā As far as Shallow goes, it was BOUND to be the hit they leaned on. Just watch all the initial trailers. I like your post and what you are getting at but I respectfully disagree. Judas literally was the reason why people were trying to ban her tour in the Philippines, Indonesia, etc.Ā Ā It had a huge effect on her image. Staunch Christians still hold this against her. Play Gaga at a highly Catholic environment, judgement will be nighĀ As for Shallow, I get your opposition. Thanks for being respectfulĀ Inside, we are really made the same. š Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartz 12,535 Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 32 minutes ago, MaryJaneHolland said: Well maybe INLA was the finale, but the Shallow performance was when the star was born Ā Well, you got me thereĀ Inside, we are really made the same. š Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
codymonster 8,595 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 3 hours ago, MKMK said: Over analytic, get a life. Just be happy of the success. This makes me howl since you are LITERALLY on a forum devoted to a woman you donāt know, telling people to get a lifeĀ Ā Thatās a new level of pathetic sis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartz 12,535 Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, ImTired said: The trailer was released months before the song though is what I was getting at. It wasn't aĀ mad scramble against some sort of predetermined schedule of singles. (TEOG and DWUW). Plus, it must be hard to choose when every song on an album is amazing.Ā Going with Shallow, which had already made a huge public impact is pretty smart and practical. And it's now one of her signature hits!Ā That's actually a good point. Shallow might have been heavily planned as the lead. If this were the case, they might be planning on multiple singles for ASIB because the ballad wasn't even released yet!Ā No? Just my wishful thinking? OKĀ Inside, we are really made the same. š Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,792 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 I do agree that questionable single choices and last minute choices have on multiple occasions harmed her career Ā About Shallow... INLA being a bigger hit im not so certain about that... Ā INLA has a very long and slow intro (takes over 2 minutes to get to the real good and powerful part). Radio and the GP in general just isn't that patient... Ā I can see INLA having really blown up if it managed to catch on, but for it to manage to actually catch on would be a challange Ā Shallow got more exposure in the movie, and I think Bradley being in it helped too because the GP might of found it cool that "hey Bradley had a single" it just kind adds a bit to the impact too Ā I think INLA has the potential to have been huge if it managed to catch on but it would be more uncertain. Shallow was a safer bet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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