Brexit Deal Voted Down

[Benji 20,113]

20 minutes ago, Florian said:

How is that a bad thing?

A better deal for the EU is not a better deal for the U.K.

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

2 hours ago, FATCAT said:

No, at least they're still barreling toward leaving in March, but instead of having a plan, they'll just wing it. Basiclly, they're amputating their arm, but instead of having a trained medical professional cut it off, they're going at it with a rusty spoon.

 

2 hours ago, Varys said:

I don't think so 

It will be a no deal brexit which was the worst case senario

 

2 hours ago, Florian said:

I highly doubt the vote will succeed anyway

No, they just decided to not take the deal negociated with the EU since the brexit vote. Basically once the brexit happens, the relationship between the UK and the EU will be ruled by the WTO rules without any advantages

Thanks...helps me understand the EU and Brexit better...(I'm American so I'm slow on the uptake)...😉

[Regina George 59,387]

Honestly people in UK made a big mistake when they voted for Brexit.. It is not helpful at all and is bringing more problems than solving them.. 

[Free My Mind 2,210]

2 hours ago, Saint Laurent said:

I'm not exactly sure what difference a general election at this point would make - clearly Corbyn is just trying his luck, even though it's almost certain that Labour wouldn't win. 

I do think a leadership election within both major parties would be preferable prior to a general election. 

Somebody needs a bloody mandate to do something.

How is a leadership election in the Labour Party needed?

Let's be perfectly clear here, this Brexit mess is entirely a result of the divided and messed up Tory party. It's their divisions that led to the referendum in the first place. It's their pigheadedness that has led to us having a deal that is rejected by parliament in the biggest defeat by a government in history.

You say it's almost certain that Labour wouldn't win... wasn't it almost certain in 2017 that May would win a landslide for the conservatives - we all know how that went down.

No leadership elections will change the parliamentary arithmetic. We have a government without a working majority and a PM who is unwilling to ditch her red lines in the face of a massive defeat. 

We need to extend article 50 to buy us more time and call a general election where each of the main parties will put forward their vision for our future relationship with the EU. The public will then have a chance to vote on Brexit (and on the many other issues that are facing the public but are gone unnoticed because of Brexit), and return a party with a mandate to negotiate with the EU.

[Reliable Insider 2,949]

I am disgusted at our politicians, on both sides of the house. I was a full-on Corbynite but I feel so let down by him and the rest of Labour as they are putting their Party's interests before those of the country. May's deal was pretty much the best deal this country could have got from this mess: it respected the result of the referendum (although it should never have taken place in the first place) while being as non-damaging to the economy as possible. This deal was voted down by the nutcase Tory hard-Brexiteers (who are invariably rich and will therefore have a safety net in the case of a catastrophic no-deal Brexit, unlike many of those they are meant to represent) and by Labour, who don't really object to the deal, but see this whole thing as an opportunity to claw their way into power. 

Seriously, what deal could Jeremy Corbyn get as Prime Minister that Theresa May couldn't? What difference could there be between the deal negotiated by the current Tory government and a deal negotiated by a hypothetical Labour government?

British politics is deeply, deeply toxic.

[Akiki 3,900]

Im all no deal for the UK. 

 

bye, bye

[Chuckles 2,549]

that's still going on?

[fathermonster 1,438]

This is a good thing!!! The deal was AWFUL!!!

[Free My Mind 2,210]

8 hours ago, Eggs said:

I am disgusted at our politicians, on both sides of the house. I was a full-on Corbynite but I feel so let down by him and the rest of Labour as they are putting their Party's interests before those of the country. May's deal was pretty much the best deal this country could have got from this mess: it respected the result of the referendum (although it should never have taken place in the first place) while being as non-damaging to the economy as possible. This deal was voted down by the nutcase Tory hard-Brexiteers (who are invariably rich and will therefore have a safety net in the case of a catastrophic no-deal Brexit, unlike many of those they are meant to represent) and by Labour, who don't really object to the deal, but see this whole thing as an opportunity to claw their way into power. 

Seriously, what deal could Jeremy Corbyn get as Prime Minister that Theresa May couldn't? What difference could there be between the deal negotiated by the current Tory government and a deal negotiated by a hypothetical Labour government?

British politics is deeply, deeply toxic.

I don't see how Labour are putting their party interests before the country. They had clear reservations about the deal, it's lack of guarantee for workers rights, it's lack of security for EU citizens. The deal was voted down by 432 MPs... so no, that's not just the "nutcase Tory brexiteers". 

Many on the Labour front and backbenches have spoke about cross-party consensus for months, but they have been ignored by the government. They couldn't vote for this deal because they didn't agree with it. They should never be forced to choose between a bad deal and no deal and wouldn't have had to if the government reached out long before this. Mrs May is a minority PM, she cannot act like she got a huge majority.

It's also worth remembering that Labour has received a lot of criticism for not calling a confidence vote until this point.

I agree with you that No Deal would be catastrophic, but it's only the government that can take it off the table.

May has had many opportunities to reach out to members across the whole house to achieve consensus, but she has not spoken to the Labour front bench once to try and sound out what they want. Instead, she has been determined to take total control of the process herself - she hasn't even wanted her own Brexit secretaries to have any meaningful control. It has been complete pigheadedness on her behalf.

John McDonnell said on television this morning that "My own view is that Theresa May could sort this now. If she had a real discussion, a real approach to compromise bring all the parties together" - this isn't a party that wants to do anything they can to get in to power. This is a party that, having not been approached to try and find consensus, sees no other way out of the impasse.

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20 hours ago, Saint Laurent said:

Your response didn't mention Corbyn once 

Corbyn's promises from the last election:

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20 hours ago, Monster7 said:

As someone curious who does not know very much about the British political climate. With all of those scandals, do you think conservatives will remain in the power after the next elections?

Honestly, I wish I could predict it. The way elections are going at the moment, I can't judge It depends when the next election is held. I assume that it will be in 2022, when it is scheduled for. With that in mind, May has said that she wouldn't stand for the next election. The current polls are show below:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=westminster+voting+intentions&oq=westminster+voting+intentions&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.2825j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

As of today, Labour may have an advantage over the Conservatives at the moment, due to the numerous downfalls they have had recently. However, assuming that the next election is in 2022, a lot of things can change since then.

Although, Labour membership in 2017 (the last election), was made up of a lot of young voters that could not vote. The party reached 500,000 members, one of the largest in Europe. If these younger members stayed in the party and still had faith in Corbyn (assuming he is still the leader), then Labour would have 5-years-worth of new voters swaying towards Labour. 

Overall, I think it's very hard to predict. Personally, I would love to have a Labour Government in. I am tired of the crisis that the Tories have plunged is into, not just with Brexit, but on a range of issues.

 

[juicyjuicy 2,005]

On 1/15/2019 at 8:47 PM, Economy said:

Vat? I didn't know u moved to London

 

Yeah, haha. I moved to London last April.  Hope you've been well!

[Melech 9,900]

On 1/16/2019 at 6:59 PM, monster4life231 said:

Corbyn's promises from the last election:

Add political antisemitism on the list 

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17 hours ago, Melech said:

Add political antisemitism on the list 

I really don't think that Corbyn is an anti-semite. I know that you're probably going to reply with a bunch of "evidence", but if I believed that he was an anti-semite, or in any form racist, I would never have joined the Labour party. I respect your viewpoint though.