The biggest problem of Gaga and her team

[SS77 2,000]

Ironically, the ONLY tour everyone loved from day one, was the Joanne Tour. Everyone was shook at the looks, the setlist, the stage, everything. 

And it’s funny because it’s the only tour she kept us totally in the dark for in terms of any hype, besides the basic IG 3 day countdown lol

So yes, I do think overhyping can create some unrealistic expectations tbh

[Didymus 34,379]

1 minute ago, Bio said:

Ok so if Gaga came out on Enigma on top of a scooter and 4 dancers you would have found that more interesting?

No...

I'm saying the opposite: even if Gaga came out with Enigma, the expensive show that it is, as a debut I don't think she would've become known as an innovative, original new pop artist who was superior to her peers

It doesn't have anything to do with money then, imo, clearly. She made a huge splash with a show that barely cost a thing. Yet many of her fans aren't impressed with an expensive as **** Vegas show. That tells you something.

[Bio 23,538]

6 minutes ago, Didymus said:

No...

I'm saying the opposite: even if Gaga came out with Enigma I don't think she would've become known as an innovative, original new pop artist who was superior to her peers

It doesn't have anything to do with money then, imo, clearly. She made a huge splash with a show that barely cost a thing. Yet many of her fans aren't impressed with an expensive as **** Vegas show. That tells you something.

I disagree. Enigma takes The Fame’s message and gives it a little more depth. Now with actual experience to back it up. It talks about how she let herself get carried away by the idea of being famous, how other people took advantage of the fact that she had no idea of who she was, how adoration is an illusion and how she found her cure in her friends and family. And then you come into this website and all you read about is how she needs to get rid of her friends or how she’s lost her edge or how she faded... Turns out every message she conveyed in Enigma was true.

Also, you should maybe think about why it is so important to you that Gaga is perceived as superior to her peers. Work through some of those insecurities.

[zerojk 4,954]

This is exactly what I have been thinking.

Gaga as an artist is in a whole new level after ASIB, Superbowl, etc

But honestly, sometimes her shows don’t reflect how big she is... what I’m trying to say is that, even though she spends lots of money and some great ideas are put on the table, her stage layouts sometimes look kind of amateur... or not what you would expect from an artist of Lady Gaga’s size, even her Superbowl show, it had some great moments but it was not as spectacular as it could be.

i agree with those who say that she needs a new more professional creative team, she’s creative on her own but we all want to see her at her full potencial on the stage

[AlexanderMagno 10,746]

10 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Completely agreed.

I think a lot of fans don't understand that if Gaga debuted with the music and performances she's been delivering for the last few years, she probably (a) wouldn't have made a splash at all; (b) they probably wouldn't even be fans of hers, at least not like they are now.

When you imagine Enigma is a debut show from a debut artist the flaws shine through a lot more clearly. When you delete the whole "omg it's Lady Gaga!!!" effect there's just not much there

Very easy explanation for why some fans don't see any problem with it (because they'll just support whatever they get, because it's Lady Gaga!), and why some fans do (because they fell in love with Gaga's specific brand more than her as a person).

Gaga fans can’t separate the person from the work, and that is the biggest problem. If I don’t enjoy her work, I’m insulting Gaga directly. They are different (and when Gaga started separating herself from the “Lady Gaga persona” and basically destroyed the myth around her, that was even more clear). Fans do support her work because it’s Gaga, they have no critical thought and are always able to find every excuse. Truthfully, I support Gaga all the way, I don’t really care if the show is good or bad because either way it doesn’t affect my life and I can always enjoy other artistic ventures. I completely agree Gaga should do what she wants to, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it. The ones I truly can’t stand are the fans.

 

I will only say that if Enigma was a debut show from a debut artist, even with its flaws, maybe I’d give it a lot more credit. Because at least it would stand has a big effort for a small artist. But the sixth major concert from an artist as huge as Lady Gaga, ten years into her career? Come on... (I do agree that most of the lightning and outfits would be considered extremely cringy and basic if she was any other artist).

16 minutes ago, Bio said:

Girl then don’t go to the show lol. I don’t understand why these fans act like Gaga owes anything to them. This is the concert she wanted to put out and if you don’t like it fine, keep bitching but it won’t change anything lol.

You keep your eye on Gaga because you want her to do stuff other pop women can’t come up with? Well, then you should turn your eyes any other direction because nowadays anyone with money has access to new ideas and technology. 

Truthfully, the stans are the ones who assume they must support everything Gaga does. You think you owe anything to Gaga. That is not true, as much as she has inspired you. Again, like I said before, I’m all about Gaga releasing what she wants to release, but don’t make me like it.

and yes, I turn my eyes to artists who release work I enjoy. And it’s a very natural thing, not as agressive as you are trying to make it.

[2School4Cool 6,434]

32 minutes ago, Didymus said:

When you imagine Enigma is a debut show from a debut artist the flaws shine through a lot more clearly

I get what you’re saying, and I understand where you’re coming from, this is actually an interesting way to look at it. However, I feel this show would be well recieved if it was Gaga’s debut, because it is still shows her signature theatrics, vocals, instrumental, and overall performance skills. The show is signature gaga with new visuals pretty much, which is what a Vegas show should be. I respect your opinion though 

[Didymus 34,379]

3 minutes ago, Bio said:

Also, you should maybe think about why it is so important to you that Gaga is perceived as superior to her peers. Work through some of those insecurities.

But that’s literally her brand... She can sing live, she writes her own songs, she has artistic control, etc. That’s been the story, that’s been her rep and it still is  

I’m just raising the question: would this show convince us if it didn’t have Gaga’s trusted name on it? Personally, I don’t think so. I think people are swallowing it because of her brand and not because of its actual quality. 

[Allan 3,877]

26 minutes ago, Didymus said:

I think Gaga just doesn't understand her own potential. It genuinely baffles me that she thinks she has to dance a whole night of pop choreographies to call something a show, it's like... weren't you gonna revolutionize pop culture? Why are you still playing by the boring rules You could do so much different stuff, spend your money differently and wow us properly.

I mean, it's not normal some fans have to belittle other fans for having "unrealistic" expectations. Why is it a good thing to expect her to do the same show over and over again? Why should it be right to not be ambitious in our own imagination? Why is it so wrong of us to want to be wowed? She took my breath away countless times already, I know she can do it. And it's not a question of money, it's how you spend it. And I just don't like her spending it all on boring designs or a stage that actually is not that impressive even though it may be expensive I just want to see something I know another pop chick couldn't have come up with. That's why I keep an eye on her in the first place.

So yeah, I'd say she's just not bold enough. She seems to have lost some of her edge. Like, seriously, imagine Katy or Ari performed this exact Vegas show. There's no doubt in my mind that more than half of the people in these threads being all "the show is so great your expectations ruined it" would do a complete 180 and would trash that show to the depths and beyond  And it's kind of sad that Gaga doesn't realize that herself when she's designing these performances. Would she herself be wowed if she saw a show like that? I really don't think so.

On the other hand, why does she need to keep proving her fans (and yup, only her fans) that she's creative, or innovative, or bold in every move she does even 10 years after she's blown up and even after the world recognized that she's a multitalented icon? Honestly, we are LUCKY that she's still putting out new things and challenging herself after her breakdown during ARTPOP and after the fibro became a chronic obstacle that she has to overcome everyday. We also have to ask ourselves what does it mean to her to wow and shock people now that she has pretty much stated what she wanted to state.

I trust Gaga, and I know that she works hard to, somehow, make every moment memorable in their own way. She knows what she's doing. She does. And at the same time, she can't do everything at the same time and, most importantly, every goddamn time.

[GhettoFabulous 18,501]

Some of you are so quick to dismiss or berate views that are different to yours.... 

Like initially as I was reading all the “Gaga doesn’t owe us anything” and the “we expected too much” I somewhat agreed but for us to expect less in 2018/2019 from LADY ****ING GAGA the person who bled on stage etc. speaks volumes  and it’s quite sad actually........ Like her shows back in 2010-13(where the budget was prolly smaller than what it is now) are much better/more interesting than what we’re getting lately, honestly  she is capable of SO MUCH MORE. Sometimes the way I see it it’s like the public have scared her so much in the past that they’ve in some way made her afraid of taking daring risks again. Like I bet you now if she debuted with Joanne/enigma chances are half of GGD wouldn’t exist and that’s tea unfortunately   it’s still a good show but for her STANDARDS it still somehow falls a little flat for me 

[Bio 23,538]

3 minutes ago, Didymus said:

But that’s literally her brand... She can sing live, she writes her own songs, she has artistic control, etc. That’s been the story, that’s been her rep and it still is  

I’m just raising the question: would this show convince us if it didn’t have Gaga’s trusted name on it? Personally, I don’t think so. I think people are swallowing it because of her brand and not because of its actual quality. 

Then maybe like her for all those stuff not because she’s “superior” to other women lol.

I don’t know about you but I go to a concert to watch the artist, to hear them singing my favorite songs live, to have a connection with them. It makes no sense to imagine about how would I perceive it if it wasn’t Gaga because for me what matters is talent, stage presence, connection.

[Bio 23,538]

11 minutes ago, AlexanderMagno said:

Gaga fans can’t separate the person from the work, and that is the biggest problem. If I don’t enjoy her work, I’m insulting Gaga directly. They are different (and when Gaga started separating herself from the “Lady Gaga persona” and basically destroyed the myth around her, that was even more clear). Fans do support her work because it’s Gaga, they have no critical thought and are always able to find every excuse. Truthfully, I support Gaga all the way, I don’t really care if the show is good or bad because either way it doesn’t affect my life and I can always enjoy other artistic ventures. I completely agree Gaga should do what she wants to, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it. The ones I truly can’t stand are the fans.

 

I will only say that if Enigma was a debut show from a debut artist, even with its flaws, maybe I’d give it a lot more credit. Because at least it would stand has a big effort for a small artist. But the sixth major concert from an artist as huge as Lady Gaga, ten years into her career? Come on... (I do agree that most of the lightning and outfits would be considered extremely cringy and basic if she was any other artist).

Truthfully, the stans are the ones who assume they must support everything Gaga does. You think you owe anything to Gaga. That is not true, as much as she has inspired you. Again, like I said before, I’m all about Gaga releasing what she wants to release, but don’t make me like it.

and yes, I turn my eyes to artists who release work I enjoy. And it’s a very natural thing, not as agressive as you are trying to make it.

I do support an artist who is in control of their art, who has something to say, and that’s what Gaga did with Enigma. Y’all love to gloat about the fact that Gaga writes her own stuff, that it’s all her creation, but when you don’t like what she does you say she should let others do it for her lol. It doesn’t work like that. 

And no, I don’t support everything an artist does lol. I don’t think Enigma is the most incredible and innovative thing Gaga could do. But I enjoy it for what it is. A Vegas show. And I appreciate her telling her story through that show.

[Ronk 14,762]

Overhype can be a problem, but in this case I think the situation is caused by personal preferences.  Everyone has their own vision of what would wow them, and she can't satisfy every person's vision.   Personally, I was amazed and thrilled by the performance, and that's just from watching videos, which are never as exciting as the live experience.

[monketsharona 80,539]

I do think her show is actually groundbreaking for Vegas residencies

 

[Didymus 34,379]

22 minutes ago, Allan said:

On the other hand, why does she need to keep proving her fans (and yup, only her fans) that she's creative, or innovative, or bold in every move she does even 10 years after she's blown up and even after the world recognized that she's a multitalented icon? Honestly, we are LUCKY that she's still putting out new things and challenging herself after her breakdown during ARTPOP and after the fibro became a chronic obstacle that she has to overcome everyday. We also have to ask ourselves what does it mean to her to wow and shock people now that she has pretty much stated what she wanted to state.

Well, I must say that's a very good point

I can't really disagree with that. It really is just a matter of taste, I'm not denying that. She doesn't need to do anything but I guess a lot of fans (incl. me) just fell in love with her early passion for mixing popular culture with avant-garde and for being this nerdy, art loving pop chick, for which there's simply no substitute among her peers

It is indeed perfectly possible (probable, even) that her motivations lie elsewhere now, but then it's also completely predictable that a lot of fans will be left unsatisfied because what they imagined to be her potential isn't being fulfilled, at least not fully. And before anyone goes "then leave and stan for someone else" on me: that's no solution lol. There is no one like Lady Gaga Hence the frustration.

23 minutes ago, Bio said:

Then maybe like her for all those stuff not because she’s “superior” to other women lol.

You misunderstand me. I'm just pointing out that the "superior to her peers" thing has been a key aspect of her brand as a pop icon, and it's that brand that a lot of fans are still expecting. I totally accept that that's probably a dumb expectation since Gaga's moved on, but that then opens the question whether or not she's moved on to greater things or has actually declined in terms of quality. There are many answers to that question possible, ofc... you know mine

25 minutes ago, Bio said:

I don’t know about you but I go to a concert to watch the artist, to hear them singing my favorite songs live, to have a connection with them. It makes no sense to imagine about how would I perceive it if it wasn’t Gaga because for me what matters is talent, stage presence, connection.

From your perspective I totally understand that then. I go to a concert to be wowed by what's happening on stage. I don't really care about seeing an artist in the flesh or having a connection with them, I'm there mostly for the show itself So I guess from my perspective it's normal that I'm more critical and demanding.

Nothing wrong with either perspective, I'd say.

[Didymus 34,379]

5 minutes ago, monketsharona said:

I do think her show is actually groundbreaking for Vegas residencies

Do you mind explaining?

I'm not implying you're wrong but many fans have brought up this point but I haven't seen them elaborate it. I personally am only familiar with the Cirque du Soleil shows at Vegas (I haven't watched any others, except some short Céline and Gwen Stefani bits) so I'd be curious to hear how exactly you think it's groundbreaking, I know you could, very well