Why did Cardi B last. Will she continue to?

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52 minutes ago, DiscoHeaven23 said:

 

if Payola could make an artist as big as Cardi has gotten, every label would be doing it for their artists.

 

 

Just say your pressed by her success and you want to discredit her. Then move to the next thread. 

 

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1 hour ago, DiscoHeaven23 said:

if Payola could make an artist as big as Cardi has gotten, every label would be doing it for their artists.

 

Lmao you acting like they don't do this for Maroon 5, Ariana, Dua Lipa, etc.

[RAMROD 107,525]

What throne exactly, Nicki stan?

Ain't never have #1 single ever, and her public acceptance are as low as ever, and steadily took nose dive, especially with her cannot stop being messy, now by dating ex convict and registered sex offender. 

The real question is will Nicki last much longer?

[Cerny 4,270]

Attitude, ever present personality, maybe? The masses eat that up. 

Edit: Her music not being completely awful and actually reflecting what she’s about, helps too. The cohesiveness of her work. Representation too.

[RichAssPiss 4,873]

I think she will continue to have a solid run in the industry. In part, because she has such a strong connection to her audience on social media and is great at keeping herself in pop culture. To be honest though, I really feel like it's a mistake to re-release Invasion of Privacy. "Money" is taking off and it needs to lead into a second record in 2019. Iggy made this mistake with a re-release instead of a second album. By the time she announced a tour, no one wanted it. By the time she announced a second record, the label wouldn't even release it because no one was listening. Cardi needs a big second album to cement her status.

[Quartz 12,313]

She's already getting backlash. She has to stop the messiness if she is to maintain her 'relevance' 

[Phlop 4,773]

Iggy is white. Became popular too quick. Old tweets suggesting undertones of racism popped up. Her beef with her label. And then that freestyle video that was posted. Plus Nicki literally lead a witch hunt to destroy Iggy.

Cardi isn’t white. She’s messy but can handle her own against Nicki.

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3 minutes ago, Phlop said:

Iggy is white. Became popular too quick. Old tweets suggesting undertones of racism popped up. Her beef with her label. And then that freestyle video that was posted. Plus Nicki literally lead a witch hunt to destroy Iggy.

Cardi isn’t white. She’s messy but can handle her own against Nicki.

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[YuyiGaga 98]

wow the delusion of this site

Nicki has been in the game for over 10 years with consistent international success. It's like saying Gaga was over during the ARTPOP era.

Cardi has one album out. Yes it was successful but hardly enough to say how she supposedly ended Nicki. She has not demonstrated a longevity or consistency (or talent) that Nicki has shown over her career. Unsure why people are so readily labeling these things before a second album cycle

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3 hours ago, RAMROD said:

What throne exactly, Nicki stan?

In the female rap league or basically rap in general. You’re going to ignore the fact the she’s the biggest female rapper?

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5 hours ago, nicolasrumet said:

I think the actual rapper that will last isn't famous yet. It needs to be a female version of Kendrick Lamar; quality music and no drama.

Well it could've been Azealia Banks.

[River 112,805]

I think she already reached her pick and now slowly will fall down to a -normal- pick.. idk it looks like she’s creating drama non stop, that it starts to look like a soap opera..

she’s a streaming artist, so she will end up like the chainsmokers, meghan, iggy and the rest... it’s the way the new circle of life works..

[FATCAT 59,856]

It's so ****ing ironic that this forum, that has an incredibly hard time understanding rap music is attempting to address this question. GGD has always had super messy reactions to black artists being successful, and this thread and the Iggy comments are even more subtly messy.

Iggy failed because she sounds the same on every track & it doesn't sound that good after the second or third song. She failed because she is not as talented as you think because you don't really keep up with the game.

This thread is so close to peddling racism on the Cardi issue too. You're falling just short of saying that Cardi is only accepted because she's black. That's the implication you make when you blame Iggy's skin-color for her downfall. It's just an excuse.

Cardi has brought a new kind of personality to the table, her songs seem to resonate with average people and even got a Grammy nod. It's too early to know if she'll stick around long-term, but she is definitely not just some fad that people will drop at a moments notice.

[StrawberryBlond 14,602]

This is subjective, of course, but I think Cardi has the better music and that's why she's stuck around. The quality of female rap has not been good lately, so she's been a ray of light in this time. And it helps that she's bi-racial, appealing to both blacks (huge, loyal demographic) and Hispanics (ditto). The fact she can talk in Spanish also helped immensly for the latter. She's accepted in the rap community as she's an acceptable race to do it (this is why Iggy could never stick, even though I think she deserved so much better, as her new EP attests). And as sad as it is, she's younger than Nicki, so she's more relevant to the current age group into hip hop. I know it's easy to forget because she usually collabs with people so much younger, but Nicki is 36. In the rap game, for females, that's considered ancient (Nicki was calling Lil Kim an "old ass bitch" when she was this age in a song back in 2010). Mid-30's is when a lot of rap females fall right off, if they haven't already, so Cardi's making the most of her youth right now. And her association with Migos and Offset has also helped as they were established before her, so it helped her with the whole "fame by association" idea.

On 12/31/2018 at 7:46 AM, YuyiGaga said:

wow the delusion of this site

Nicki has been in the game for over 10 years with consistent international success. It's like saying Gaga was over during the ARTPOP era.

Cardi has one album out. Yes it was successful but hardly enough to say how she supposedly ended Nicki. She has not demonstrated a longevity or consistency (or talent) that Nicki has shown over her career. Unsure why people are so readily labeling these things before a second album cycle

But in the rap game, once a female has fallen off, she's pretty much done. The community just seems to move on when it's a female. She's also in the prime age bracket for where this downfall is standard. It happened to Lil Kim, Missy Elliott and Trina when they hit their mid-30's and it's currently happening to Nicki. The sad fact is that female rappers never hang around as long as their male counterparts as it remains such a sexist place. The downfall is so swift that yes, I can flat out call it that Cardi has ended her. Even if Cardi doesn't stick around, she still ended her. She's achieved things Nicki has never done (#1 single, more Vevo likes and she could well be on her way to a Grammy win) and she did it will outperforming her in the same year that their albums were out. If Nicki never comes back from this, Cardi will forever be cited as the one who ended her.

On 12/31/2018 at 10:51 AM, FATCAT said:

It's so ****ing ironic that this forum, that has an incredibly hard time understanding rap music is attempting to address this question. GGD has always had super messy reactions to black artists being successful, and this thread and the Iggy comments are even more subtly messy.

Iggy failed because she sounds the same on every track & it doesn't sound that good after the second or third song. She failed because she is not as talented as you think because you don't really keep up with the game.

This thread is so close to peddling racism on the Cardi issue too. You're falling just short of saying that Cardi is only accepted because she's black. That's the implication you make when you blame Iggy's skin-color for her downfall. It's just an excuse.

Some of us do know what we're talking about, actually. We're not all ignorant about rap. But even if we are, there's no law against an non-rap fan trying to answer a question regarding why a rapper has stayed around. It's just a general music question.

Iggy failed because she sounds the same on every track? Every rapper I've ever listened to has a distinct style that runs through every track and each one has their thing and the same themes they always go back to. That is a really flimsy reason with no substance. Pretty much every mega successful act always uses the same style every album and makes roughly the same album again and again, that formula gets you success if nothing else. I can assure you that I do keep up with the game and while she may not be the best, I don't think Iggy is anywhere near as bad as many seem to think she is. I think she, along with Cardi, are the only females making decent solo efforts right now (come to think of it, that includes men too) and Iggy probably would've still been around had the rap fans been more accepting of her being white. I saw black rap fans react to her new EP and they were overwhelmingly positive. If she just had a label that pushed her and people opened their minds, she'd be flying right now, but as it is, she's now an independent artist because apparently, her biggest video hit for 4 years isn't good enough to launch an album on (yet any black rapper can put an album out with even bigger flops than that). It's hard to be white in this game. You get laughed it for stuff that's accepted from black rappers and your superior material is left on the sidelines while far worse off mumble trash from black Soundcloud rappers gets more praise. Don't read this as me thinking black rappers don't deserve success, though. I just want the ones with talent to be getting it. As I do for every genre and artist.

Most people are not saying Cardi's only popular because she's black, they're offering multiple reasons, as did I. And it's hard not to pin Iggy's whiteness as the main reason behind why she failed when the fact she was white, Australian and rapped in a black American accent was the biggest criticism people had of her and said it was why they couldn't take her seriously.

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On 12/31/2018 at 3:19 AM, nicolasrumet said:

As if Nicki Minaj lasted in the first place lol...

Her latest album flopped. And she has 0 grammy nominations.

I think the actual rapper that will last isn't famous yet. It needs to be a female version of Kendrick Lamar; quality music and no drama.

Oh please. She's been shifting albums for nearly 10 years. Let's just not.