CautiousLurker 19,476 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 4 hours ago, Lord Temptation said: But whether they like it or not, all celebrities are role models. Don’t try to hide it. It comes with the job description. You live by the fame you die by the fame. Again, unless it's in the contract, it does not... If anything, it's in the job description to do morally reprehensible sh*t considering how many celebrities have engaged in activities frowned upon by the public... 4 hours ago, Varys said: Im not saying she needs not censor her art. Its not about her art Its about her personal life and the message thats she transfer the millions of her followers And if she doesn't want people talking or critizing her personal life she shouldn't share it with everybody She clearly knows her man in controversial but doesn't care and is ruining that poor girl that he raped life And its not about a younger audience she isn't a good rolemodel for any audience And just because she is a doesn't want to be a rolemodel does that mean we are not allowed to criticize her? Last time I checked we ar still not living in the land of Kim-Yung-Minaj Why not then? Isn't the message conveyed in her work more important than her personal life and whatever message that's conveying? Why does that get a pass? Again, whichever way you spin that argument, it makes no sense and is just an attempt to shift responsibility... That wasn't a question at hand tho - the comment I replied to specifically mentioned kids, and my argument still is that it's up to parents to instil moral compass into a child, not a celebrity who has nothing to do with said child... Criticise all you want, but keep in mind her personal life is ultimately her business, and don't pull out the lamest argument people have ever come up with... It's a joke! When you give me that look, it's a joke! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varys 30,891 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, CautiousLurker said: Why not then? Isn't the message conveyed in her work more important than her personal life and whatever message that's conveying? Why does that get a pass? Again, whichever way you spin that argument, it makes no sense and is just an attempt to shift responsibility... That wasn't a question at hand tho - the comment I replied to specifically mentioned kids, and my argument still is that it's up to parents to instil moral compass into a child, not a celebrity who has nothing to do with said child... Criticise all you want, but keep in mind her personal life is ultimately her business, and don't pull out the lamest argument people have ever come up with... Yes I agree that parents are responsible too but that doesn't mean that they can control/protect their child 24/7 and children also learn from other persons then there parents and that includes celebs lets just say we can agree to disagree I will pray for you jk Banned 04/19/2020 - 04/19/2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 16 minutes ago, CautiousLurker said: Again, unless it's in the contract, it does not... If anything, it's in the job description to do morally reprehensible sh*t considering how many celebrities have engaged in activities frowned upon by the public... Why not then? Isn't the message conveyed in her work more important than her personal life and whatever message that's conveying? Why does that get a pass? Again, whichever way you spin that argument, it makes no sense and is just an attempt to shift responsibility... That wasn't a question at hand tho - the comment I replied to specifically mentioned kids, and my argument still is that it's up to parents to instil moral compass into a child, not a celebrity who has nothing to do with said child... Criticise all you want, but keep in mind her personal life is ultimately her business, and don't pull out the lamest argument people have ever come up with... Celebrities who think their only boss is the person who signs their cheques are in denial. Public opinion determines how much advertisers are willing to spend on a celebrity to promote something. Ignoring the court of public opinion- especially in the age of social media - is career suicide. Saying “I’m not a role model” is basically saying “Do as I say, not as I do”. It’s outing yourself as a money hungry hypocrite and social media will react accordingly, not to mention advertisers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTV 12,842 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 8 hours ago, Pacify Him said: Harley Boomkack? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CautiousLurker 19,476 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, Varys said: Yes I agree that parents are responsible too but that doesn't mean that they can control/protect their child 24/7 and children also learn from other persons then there parents and that includes celebs lets just say we can agree to disagree I will pray for you jk In that case everything should be censored... Cuz god forbid a kid sees something other people do that puts a bad thought in their head, can't let that happen - it's not like positive reinforcement and open dialogue from a parent over a course of their upbringing is actually more effective at building character or anything - nah, once that bad thought is planted in their head, they will start doing drugs, having sex left and right and will probably die honestly... and it's all because a celebrity who doesn't even know them didn't think about them hard enough - RIP kids, very sad 2 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said: Celebrities who think their only boss is the person who signs their cheques are in denial. Public opinion determines how much advertisers are willing to spend on a celebrity to promote something. Ignoring the court of public opinion- especially in the age of social media - is career suicide. Saying “I’m not a role model” is basically saying “Do as I say, not as I do”. It’s outing yourself as a money hungry hypocrite and social media will react accordingly, not to mention advertisers. I mean, good for them, go advertisers? I wasn't disputing any of that, I just don't see how someone in the public eye not wanting to be a role model is such a travesty... Also wouldn't it also be hypocritical to become a role model just so you'd be more bankable and get more money? Kinda, two conflicting arguments in your message there... It's a joke! When you give me that look, it's a joke! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varys 30,891 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 hour ago, CautiousLurker said: In that case everything should be censored... Cuz god forbid a kid sees something other people do that puts a bad thought in their head, can't let that happen - it's not like positive reinforcement and open dialogue from a parent over a course of their upbringing is actually more effective at building character or anything - nah, once that bad thought is planted in their head, they will start doing drugs, having sex left and right and will probably die honestly... and it's all because a celebrity who doesn't even know them didn't think about them hard enough - RIP kids, very sad Okay I get it you are right I am wrong Banned 04/19/2020 - 04/19/2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 57 minutes ago, CautiousLurker said: In that case everything should be censored... Cuz god forbid a kid sees something other people do that puts a bad thought in their head, can't let that happen - it's not like positive reinforcement and open dialogue from a parent over a course of their upbringing is actually more effective at building character or anything - nah, once that bad thought is planted in their head, they will start doing drugs, having sex left and right and will probably die honestly... and it's all because a celebrity who doesn't even know them didn't think about them hard enough - RIP kids, very sad I mean, good for them, go advertisers? I wasn't disputing any of that, I just don't see how someone in the public eye not wanting to be a role model is such a travesty... Also wouldn't it also be hypocritical to become a role model just so you'd be more bankable and get more money? Kinda, two conflicting arguments in your message there... I only have one point, you are the one splitting it into two. You are the one denying that celebrities are role models. I never denied that celebrities can be hypocrites- whose point is that anyway? Like i don’t care why someone becomes a celebrity. I’m saying once you become a celebrity, you also become a role model. It’s not a choice. This is so basic like why can’t you comprehend it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloody g 31,746 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 I think Nicki needs professional help in so many aspects of her life, and she has been needing for a long time now. It's worrying seeing all these, no normal person would ever do or say or act how she does. I hope she improves soon. 『𝐟𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐜𝐚𝐧𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐛𝐞 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐠𝐞𝐝』 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CautiousLurker 19,476 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 On 12/24/2018 at 7:19 PM, Lord Temptation said: I’m saying once you become a celebrity, you also become a role model. It’s not a choice. This is so basic like why can’t you comprehend it? Because you haven't provided a single argument for it that would actually make sense? Why can't you actually explain why that's the case if it's so basic? It's a joke! When you give me that look, it's a joke! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 23 minutes ago, CautiousLurker said: Because you haven't provided a single argument for it that would actually make sense? Why can't you actually explain why that's the case if it's so basic? I already did. You just can’t understand it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CautiousLurker 19,476 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 17 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said: I already did. You just can’t understand it You didn't, you just keep saying the same thing over and over - that when you become famous you just happen to become a role model somehow, by default... You haven't actually given an explanation as to why - again, your assertion makes no sense, so unless you can provide and actual argument, I'll just leave it at that - it's nonsense It's a joke! When you give me that look, it's a joke! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALGAYDO 32,752 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 33 minutes ago, CautiousLurker said: You didn't, you just keep saying the same thing over and over - that when you become famous you just happen to become a role model somehow, by default... You haven't actually given an explanation as to why - again, your assertion makes no sense, so unless you can provide and actual argument, I'll just leave it at that - it's nonsense Because that’s one of the side-effects of becoming famous. You automatically inherit the responsibility of setting an example for those who follow you. It sucks, it really does because most people who attain fame didn’t necessarily want that side-effect, but that doesn’t chance the fact that drones of people- including many underaged individuals who are extremely malleable- will now look up to you and follow your footsteps. Nobody made it this way, it’s just one of the downsides of becoming a celebrity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CautiousLurker 19,476 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 20 minutes ago, ALGAYDO said: Because that’s one of the side-effects of becoming famous. You automatically inherit the responsibility of setting an example for those who follow you. It sucks, it really does because most people who attain fame didn’t necessarily want that side-effect, but that doesn’t chance the fact that drones of people- including many underaged individuals who are extremely malleable- will now look up to you and follow your footsteps. Nobody made it this way, it’s just one of the downsides of becoming a celebrity. I get that a lot of people EXPECT this, but again, it makes no sense and I think it's wrong that people think expecting it is acceptable... First of all, because parents play a MUCH larger role in shaping a child... Second of all, cuz... I mean, when I think back to when I was a kid - I was REALLY into Britney, Beyonce and Christina... like, really REALLY into their work... digging up ANYTHING I could get my 10 year old hands on... When Britney had her episode and shaved her head - it didn't make me want to shave my head... Toxic was my alltime favourite video, yet I managed to not grind up against adult male crotches until I turned 20, as great as the temptation sometimes was (unrelated)... In fact my engagement with musicians I was obsessed with when I was a child never really left their work - I always tried to pull from their work, not their persons, and when I pulled something, it never went so far as to change my behaviour drastically... So how much influence does a celebrity have overall, really? Third of all, if you're gonna make the argument that it's because underage individuals are so easily influence (which I don't think is the case, at least not by celebrities - people around them play a significantly larger role) - it brings me back to the point that every piece of work made by a famous person should be censored and kid friendly then, even if an artist never set out to make that kind of work to begin with... in which case you should take waaaaay more issues with this: ...than anything Nicki has done with her personal life... It's a joke! When you give me that look, it's a joke! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 2 hours ago, CautiousLurker said: You didn't, you just keep saying the same thing over and over - that when you become famous you just happen to become a role model somehow, by default... You haven't actually given an explanation as to why - again, your assertion makes no sense, so unless you can provide and actual argument, I'll just leave it at that - it's nonsense I keep repeating myself and yet somehow you’re still here? My point is self-explanatory and I’m not going to overcomplicate something so commonsensical. Just because you don’t believe in role models doesn’t mean others don’t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CautiousLurker 19,476 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 11 hours ago, Lord Temptation said: I keep repeating myself and yet somehow you’re still here? My point is self-explanatory and I’m not going to overcomplicate something so commonsensical. Just because you don’t believe in role models doesn’t mean others don’t. Cuz you haven't provided an actual argument... Its not commonsense, it's nonsense and the fact that you have no other way to argue for it other than repeat the same statement again and again kinda proves my point more than anything - you have nothing... I never said I didn't believe in role models btw, I said one isn't obligated to provide one if they're famous... It's a joke! When you give me that look, it's a joke! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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