TropicOfCANCER 6,292 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Gail, the woman at the supermarket, Halsey... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
REALITY 76,755 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, River said: From my perspective she was controlled by both man, instead of letting her finding her own voice and stage persona, both tried to make her "as they want".. yeah maybe she controlled the hair color but it's not really enough to be a strong independent artist. Even at the end with INLA she was what Jackson wanted her to be.. I feel that we actually never saw the real artist behind Ally.. I don't think she was being controlled by Jackson though. Nearing the middle-end of the movie, I can see where you're coming from, but it's not like Jackson forced her to write her songs or anything. Of course, we don't know everything about what Ally went through once she became a pop star, but it's more likely than not that her manager told her to write a specific type of song. Songs like Shallow, Look What I Found, and Always Remember Us This Way were all written by Ally. Songs like those show us her true voice and the true artist she is. With I'll Never Love Again, I think that was more representative of a tribute than anything else. That being said, I see that as being 10000000% more personable and genuine than anything she did under Rez. {SPOLIER ALERT} Was she under Jackson's control then? I don't think so. By that time he was dead and maybe you could argue "Well, Ally's emotional connection to him was what controlled her," but again, I would have to disagree. They had a mutual love for each other. It's not like that love was one-sided. 𝔊𝔬𝔬𝔡𝔟𝔶𝔢, ℑ'𝔩𝔩 𝔰𝔢𝔢 𝔶𝔬𝔲 𝔦𝔫 𝔪𝔶 𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔞𝔪𝔰 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt 460 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 29 minutes ago, Arturo said: What about Dave Chapelle's wife? Or Halsey? And Gail! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giskardsb 12,565 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I don’t think you all are giving Ally enough credit but the movie didn’t have time to spend on her dynamics with Rez or her label. Also interesting that the exact arguments being made against Ally could directly be made about Gaga herself. Gaga was certainly a different artist before Fusari changed her to pop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 117,215 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 14 minutes ago, M Monstre said: I don't think she was being controlled by Jackson though. Nearing the middle-end of the movie, I can see where you're coming from, but it's not like Jackson forced her to write her songs or anything. Of course, we don't know everything about what Ally went through once she became a pop star, but it's more likely than not that her manager told her to write a specific type of song. Songs like Shallow, Look What I Found, and Always Remember Us This Way were all written by Ally. Songs like those show us her true voice and the true artist she is. With I'll Never Love Again, I think that was more representative of a tribute than anything else. That being said, I see that as being 10000000% more personable and genuine than anything she did under Rez. {SPOLIER ALERT} Was she under Jackson's control then? I don't think so. By that time he was dead and maybe you could argue "Well, Ally's emotional connection to him was what controlled her," but again, I would have to disagree. They had a mutual love for each other. It's not like that love was one-sided. Wow thanks for putting it this way, you really changed my mine, I didn't see it this way but now I do, you really made sense into this! So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo 7,808 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 A Mess is Born I think you are over thinking it, Ally moved away from her home, of course she won't be able to bring her friends along. Plus there wasn't time in the movie it was just the right length. Don't visit my profile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALGAYDO 32,688 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Who tf is Gail? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doot 2 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Arturo said: What about Dave Chapelle's wife? Or Halsey? 54 minutes ago, TropicOfCANCER said: Gail, the woman at the supermarket, Halsey... 42 minutes ago, Matt said: And Gail! Love how everyone is ignoring y’all. Simply to ****ing bitch and complain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyVersace 9,023 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 I mean, to be fair, the cast is very small. There's like four major characters... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemonade 2,368 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 12 minutes ago, ALGAYDO said: Who tf is Gail? without gail, shallow might not have happened Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chromasine 5,439 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 19 minutes ago, Lemonade said: without gail, shallow might not have happened Ally was going the wrong way Until Gail saved her A Star Is (Birthed By Gail) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 117,215 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 17 minutes ago, Lemonade said: without gail, shallow might not have happened Rebecca Field!! She got roles in every tv show that I'm watching, I was like "no way she's even here" like I literally had black tears like this emoticon. Her and the reading minds guy from Heroes, the bitch who betrayed everyone in Reborn So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturo 40,746 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 37 minutes ago, thwip said: Love how everyone is ignoring y’all. Simply to ****ing bitch and complain. huh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 98,012 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 I didn’t even notice it If you see me posting like crazy, I'm either bored or procrastinating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildAmerican 13,672 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 I noticed this too, but consider how few people speak at all in this movie... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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