Brett Kavanaugh confirmed as SCOTUS judge

[Eighteen 5,430]

Just now, OG Gaga Stan said:

She lost because she was a terrible candidate with 20 years of baggage who ran a terrible campaign and didn't even campaign in major swing states that she ended up losing so that she could court right-wing neocon donors for months. Disaffected voters didn't cost her rich, racist White-feminist *ss the presidency. She did that herself. 

This rhetoric helps no one. Stop blaming the voters for the party's failings and do something yourself to fix it.

oh but all of those things makes her worse than trump right? i did what i was supposed to do, i voted for the democratic candidate in 2016. not my fault people made a huge miscalculation. and my state votes blue, and i am in the middle of the ocean. you do something.

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Just now, Eighteen said:

oh but all of those things makes her worse than trump right? i did what i was supposed to do, i voted for the democratic candidate in 2016. not my fault people made a huge miscalculation. and my state votes blue, and i am in the middle of the ocean. you do something.

I do, sis! I'm very involved! And I don't waste my time bashing the people who are actually affected by Trump's policies instead of criticizing the powerful when I do. 

It didn't matter if she was worse than Trump (she wasn't). She was bad enough that non-voters refused to come out and vote for her, which is all that matters!

[Eighteen 5,430]

8 minutes ago, OG Gaga Stan said:

It didn't matter if she was worse than Trump (she wasn't). She was bad enough that non-voters refused to come out and vote for her, which is all that matters!

interesting rationale. she wasn't as bad as trump, you say, and yet it makes sense to you that people were justified in staying home, or voting green party, essentially enabling him to win the presidency. in your eyes, these people didn't make a mistake, they did exactly what they should have done.

and if you could go back in time, you wouldn't encourage these people who decided to stay home or voted green to vote for hillary and defeat donald trump, because like you're implying, it wasn't a mistake. it was what they should have done. ok. makes sense. 

edit:

and they weren't non-voters. a lot of people who voted for bernie, didn't vote for hillary, enough so that she WOULD have won had they turned out. idk what you're talking about. 

some of them are here on the forum but funnily enough they say nothing now.

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5 minutes ago, Eighteen said:

interesting rationale. she wasn't as bad as trump, you say, and yet it makes sense to you that people were justified in staying home, essentially enabling him to win the presidency. in your eyes, these people didn't make a mistake, they did exactly what they should have done.

and if you could go back in time, you wouldn't encourage these people who decided to stay home to vote for hillary and defeat donald trump, because like you're implying, it wasn't a mistake. it was what they should have done. ok. makes sense. 

 

Literally never, ever said they were justified in staying home. Stop putting words in my mouth sis.  They didn't cost her the presidency. She did. She and the party infrastructure that forced her and her racist, Middle East-destroying record and massive unpopularity on us did. Blaming voters literally accomplishes nothing. Blame the people who are really responsible.

Edit: lmaooooo, you literally believe that Bernie voters, the vast, vast majority of whom voted for her, way more than Hillary voters voted for Obama in '08, took down Hillary Clinton and not her massive unpopularity. I can't.  

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2 hours ago, Phaye Monster said:

Disgusting. Solid proof how awful humanity can be.

It's not humanity, its the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT. The People did not decide this.

[Eighteen 5,430]

27 minutes ago, OG Gaga Stan said:

Literally never, ever said they were justified in staying home. Stop putting words in my mouth sis.  They didn't cost her the presidency. She did. She and the party infrastructure that forced her and her racist, Middle East-destroying record and massive unpopularity on us did. Blaming voters literally accomplishes nothing. Blame the people who are really responsible.

let me dissect this a little if i can:

first bolded line:

earlier you wrote:

42 minutes ago, Eighteen said:

Disaffected voters didn't cost her rich, racist White-feminist *ss the presidency. She did that herself. 

the voters didn't make a mistake, you imply. they were justified in their decision to vote otherwise, or stay home, you imply, because her record as a "rich, racist White-feminist *ss" "did that [to] herself." isn't that the implication? am i really putting words in your mouth or do you just not understand what you're saying (just wondering?)

in your latest post you write: 

27 minutes ago, OG Gaga Stan said:

She did. She and the party infrastructure that forced her and her racist, Middle East-destroying record and massive unpopularity on us did.

to me, you give an excuse for people not voting in the general election. because she has a racist record right? a middle east-destroying record, right? i mean as a side note i guess you were staunchly anti-obama too since it was under his presidency and his authority and purview that libya and syria fell apart, as hillary was only the secretary of state at the time, NOT the president. you know, the final decision did always fall on obama; he did consent to those things. 

27 minutes ago, OG Gaga Stan said:

Blaming voters literally accomplishes nothing. Blame the people who are really responsible.

the fact of the matter is, there are liberals in the world, and there are conservatives. if you're a liberal, vote the available liberal candidate (especially if the others are never going to win and especially if the conservative candidate is donald trump), or you essentially cast a vote for the conservative. it's a simple calculation. 

in the 2016 general, for liberals, there were two options: something imperfect but far more than the alternative and more or less she was on your side. and the other option was something f**king terrible, and in almost every way a liberal enemy. but people stayed home, they voted 3rd party, they made a mistake, and caused donald trump to win. it was a simple equation. 

if you think i should be blaming conservatives, why should i? this is the vision they have for the united states, this is a democracy, liberals didn't have the sense enough to come together and so now it's their turn. what's annoying is that i bet 1/4 of the people woe is me-ing about all this didn't vote for hillary, and to them i ask: wtf did you expect? 

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12 minutes ago, Eighteen said:

let me dissect this a little if i can:

first bolded line:

earlier you wrote:

the voters didn't make a mistake, you imply. they were justified in their decision to vote otherwise, or stay home, you imply, because her record as a "rich, racist White-feminist *ss" "did that [to] herself." isn't that the implication? am i really putting words in your mouth or do you just not understand what you're saying (just wondering?)

in your latest post you write: 

to me, you give an excuse for people not voting in the general election. because she has a racist record right? a middle east-destroying record, right? i mean as a side note i guess you were staunchly anti-obama too since it was under his presidency and his authority and purview that libya and syria fell apart, as hillary was only the secretary of state at the time, NOT the president. you know, the final decision did always fall on obama; he did consent to those things. 

the fact of the matter is, there are liberals in the world, and there are conservatives. if you're a liberal, vote the available liberal candidate, or you essentially cast a vote for the conservative. it's a simple calculation. 

in the 2016 general, for liberals, there were two options: something imperfect but far more than the alternative on your side. and something f**king terrible, and in almost every way a liberal enemy. people stayed home, they voted 3rd party, they made a mistake, and caused donald trump to win. it was a simple equation. 

if you think i should be blaming conservatives, why should i? this is the vision they have for the united states, this is a democracy, liberals didn't have the sense enough to come together and so now it's their turn. what's annoying is that i bet 1/4 of the people woe is me-ing about all this didn't vote for hillary, and to them i ask: wtf did you expect? 

I can't at the way you're trying to twist my words around, lmao. 

I didn't say that disaffected voters and liberals didn't make a mistake in staying home, nor did I imply it.

I said: They should have voted for her. But it was HER job to get their votes. She didn't. The Democratic party that has spent the last three decades perpetuating wealth inequity and further marginalizing vulnerable people who now feel like there's no point in participating in politics because they'll be screwed either way couldn't get them out to vote for her. This idea that the voters OWE their votes to a party and that politicians shouldn't EARN a voter's vote is straight out of the machine politics of the gilded age. 

I also wasn't saying you should be blaming conservatives (though you should, because they're the ones actually doing what you're opposing right now). I'm saying that you should be blaming the incompetent party leadership that lost to a reality show host and conman and be working to move the party in the right direction instead of, as you admitted earlier, doing nothing because you live in a blue state other than blaming the voters, the vulnerable, who actually have to deal with the ramifications of what Trump is doing to this country. 

So, going forward, that's what I was saying. You don't need to try to clarify further.

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51 minutes ago, hankhatesyouall said:

Congratulations to Brett Kavanaugh! The smear campaign against this man was one of the most disgusting things I've seen in politics. Trump is actually forcing Republicans to take a militant position and win. Meanwhile, three Senate races have recently shifted toward Republicans. The Democrats did an amazing job uniting the right. 

He had the opportunity to tell Dr Ford something like- "I have no recollection of these events, but I want to listen to you, and with your permission I want to use my position as a way of helping women in this country with these issues" or SOMETHING. 

Instead, he lied under oath about his drinking, showed his true colors, threw a fit, attacked "the left" , projected ALL OVER THE PLACE, didnt answer questions, didnt want to be investigated, didnt want to take a polygraph....the list goes on.

I can't tell you if he did it, what I can tell you is that he handled this situation with ZERO class, and he isnt fit for this job.

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Look at all these children pretending they know about politics. Very funny.

This "man" has shown he behaves like a moody and emotional tween under pressure. That's not the person you need. Ever.

[Eighteen 5,430]

1 minute ago, OG Gaga Stan said:

I can't at the way you're trying to twist my words around, lmao. 

I didn't say that disaffected voters and liberals didn't make a mistake in staying home, nor did I imply it.

I said: They should have voted for her. But it was HER job to get their votes. She didn't. The Democratic party that has spent the last three decades perpetuating wealth inequity and further marginalizing vulnerable people who now feel like there's no point in participating in politics because they'll be screwed either way couldn't get them out to vote for her. This idea that the voters OWE their votes to a party and that politicians shouldn't EARN a voter's vote is straight out of the machine politics of the gilded age. 

I also wasn't saying you should be blaming conservatives (though you should, because they're the ones actually doing what you're opposing right now). I'm saying that you should be blaming the incompetent party leadership that lost to a reality show host and conman and be working to move the party in the right direction instead of, as you admitted earlier, doing nothing other than blaming the voters, the vulnerable, who actually have to deal with the ramifications of what Trump is doing to this country. 

So, going forward, that's what I was saying. You don't need to try to clarify further.

uh, okay, i'm not going to clarify because you're not getting it lol  

a painted rock should have won against donald trump. and that's it tbh. liberals should have just seen donald trump alone, and voted for the person who could win against him when the general election came no matter who it was, bernie, hillary, ANYBODY. but you know, the american electorate is generally politically ignorant (and that's not my speculation. read a political book, it'll tell you) and i am of the belief that there's a 70-30 chance liberals are going to blow it next month just like they did in 2016 (and our discussion here doesn't give me much encouragement tbh). 

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2 hours ago, Morphine Prince said:

 

America is officially cancelled. We stan the UK now. 

[Othon 34,299]

8 minutes ago, Eighteen said:

uh, okay, i'm not going to clarify because you're not getting it lol  

a painted rock should have won against donald trump. and that's it tbh. liberals should have just seen donald trump alone, and voted for the person who could win against him when the general election came no matter who it was, bernie, hillary, ANYBODY. but you know, the american electorate is generally politically ignorant (and that's not my speculation. read a political book, it'll tell you) and i am of the belief that there's a 70-30 chance liberals are going to blow it next month just like they did in 2016 (and our discussion here doesn't give me much encouragement tbh). 

No, I'm getting exactly what you're saying. It's the same thing that all centrists repeat when they condescend to leftists. It's a really reductive way of understanding politics. 

If they wanted to vote for the person who would've beat Trump, they would've voted for Bernie in the primary, who beat him by double digits according to every poll. Most of the country hated Hillary and didn't turn out for her in the general, even though they should've, because she couldn't get them to. They didn't vote for her, and now Trump is president. I'm literally just saying that you sitting around bashing and condescending to voters accomplishes nothing to get them out to vote next time. Give them something to vote for, a real leftist platform, and they'll vote. Otherwise, you'll keep getting the same result. I don't understand what you don't get about this, honestly?

[Whispering 18,865]

Elections have consequences.

Show up and vote...everytime, and don't waste your vote! 

[Eighteen 5,430]

1 minute ago, OG Gaga Stan said:

No, I'm getting exactly what you're saying. It's the same thing that all centrists repeat when they condescend to leftists. It's a really reductive way of understanding politics. 

If they wanted to vote for the person who would've beat Trump, they would've voted for Bernie, who beat him by double digits according to every poll. I'm literally just saying that you sitting around bashing and condescending to voters accomplishes nothing to get them out to vote next time. Give them something to vote for, a real leftist platform, and they'll vote. Otherwise, you'll keep getting the same result. I don't understand what you don't get about this, honestly?

 

well first of all i'm not a centrist. i'm a far left liberal. except that i'm not delusional. you do realize that if bernie did win, his policies would have been moderated to the middle, right, like what hillary was pushing. it's common sense -_-

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1 hour ago, hankhatesyouall said:

Congratulations to Brett Kavanaugh! The smear campaign against this man was one of the most disgusting things I've seen in politics. Trump is actually forcing Republicans to take a militant position and win. Meanwhile, three Senate races have recently shifted toward Republicans. The Democrats did an amazing job uniting the right.