PETA slams Lady Gaga

[KillMeSarah 0]

Very happy to have found this thread, as this topic has been on my mind for a few days now.

Even happier to see that I am not alone as a concerned fan and animal lover. I've seen some wonderful replies in this thread from compassionate, educated people who are hoping the fur is fake just as much as I am.

Sadly, I've seen an equal level of ignorance in the replies here, which seem to fall within three categories: those who have no idea about the process of obtaining fur, those who lack compassion for animals, and those who somehow feel they have no right to protest, because they eat meat.

The first is easy enough to solve. Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9TWXbAd1xQ

from someone who knows way more than any of you about the fashion industry and the fur industry.

The second group is kind of hopeless. If you don't care about the unnecessary pain and suffering of helpless creatures for something as fickle as fashion, there's not much anyone can do to change your mind.

The third group is the most tricky, as the mindset is a very black and white view of the world. To those who think fur = eating meat, that you can't be against one without being against all, I implore you to watch a documentary called The Earthlings. It covers the various ways animals are used by humans, some which you may or may not agree with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce4DJh-L7Ys

The choice of what to support or protest is up to you, but PLEASE educate yourself before making it.

Aside from the music and crazy fashion, one main reason to love Gaga is that fact that she raises awareness for important causes. I was hoping she would become a more prominent spokesperson for the anti-fur movement in the future. With her status, power and influence, she could have made a real difference. For her to say she is against real fur, then step out in real fur on several occasions shows she lacks integrity and is also a huge step back for the anti-fur movement.

As a Little Monster- I am allowed to be disappointed. That does not make me any less of a fan. I still love her music and plan to keep making costumes of hers, but I cannot respect her as a human being anymore if she is going to prance around in real fur.

Like many others, I am hoping for proof that all the rumored real fur is indeed fake. Until then, I shall remain skeptical.

[garnite 8]

Very happy to have found this thread, as this topic has been on my mind for a few days now.

Even happier to see that I am not alone as a concerned fan and animal lover. I've seen some wonderful replies in this thread from compassionate, educated people who are hoping the fur is fake just as much as I am.

Sadly, I've seen an equal level of ignorance in the replies here, which seem to fall within three categories: those who have no idea about the process of obtaining fur, those who lack compassion for animals, and those who somehow feel they have no right to protest, because they eat meat.

The first is easy enough to solve. Watch this:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=O9TWXbAd1xQ

from someone who knows way more than any of you about the fashion industry and the fur industry.

The second group is kind of hopeless. If you don't care about the unnecessary pain and suffering of helpless creatures for something as fickle as fashion, there's not much anyone can do to change your mind.

The third group is the most tricky, as the mindset is a very black and white view of the world. To those who think fur = eating meat, that you can't be against one without being against all, I implore you to watch a documentary called The Earthlings. It covers the various ways animals are used by humans, some which you may or may not agree with.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=ce4DJh-L7Ys

The choice of what to support or protest is up to you, but PLEASE educate yourself before making it.

Aside from the music and crazy fashion, one main reason to love Gaga is that fact that she raises awareness for important causes. I was hoping she would become a more prominent spokesperson for the anti-fur movement in the future. With her status, power and influence, she could have made a real difference. For her to say she is against real fur, then step out in real fur on several occasions shows she lacks integrity and is also a huge step back for the anti-fur movement.

As a Little Monster- I am allowed to be disappointed. That does not make me any less of a fan. I still love her music and plan to keep making costumes of hers, but I cannot respect her as a human being anymore if she is going to prance around in real fur.

Like many others, I am hoping for proof that all the rumored real fur is indeed fake. Until then, I shall remain skeptical.

right. and the discussion in this topic is about much more than "just" a coat. thanks for being another beacon of rationality here.

[HybridWarhol 7]

The difference is that when they kill a cow they do it to get the meat, after they do that they get what is rest, which is the leather. They dont kill cows just to get leather. When it comes to fur, the animal get killed (in the worst possible way) just for their skin, nothing else. So, animals need to die for the vanity of some people who buy and dont find anything wrong with fur.

They attack celebrities because they consume fur. If celebrities didnt purchase any kind of fur the designers wouldnt have to sell it. There's a market out there (people buying fur), if they stop buying the designers are going to stop making it.

You're forgetting that some animals are killed both for fur and for meat. Not just one or the other. Most of the animals you see being killed for fur, are eaten in many countries and there are a market for them. And imo animals killed for meat experience just as much torture and trauma as being killed for fur. And killing an animal for meat is just as vain as killing it for fur. You don't need either, it's your personal choice to wear fur just as much as it is to eat meat.

Designers would still sell fur even if celebrities didn't consume it. You're forgetting that regular people like you and me wear fur and leather products just like celebrities do. There's a market for fur products, it's not just celebrities wearing them. Picking on celebrities does nothing to further their cause. And in Lady Gaga's case, the coats in question are all faux, yet she's still being criticized by people who can't be assed to do their research.

[CroatiaGeisha 19]

high pile fur.... I will interpret that as faux. Hermes doesn't even mention any type of real fur in the description (like mink, fox, etc..).

It's certainly possible that Gaga has only been wearing faux or vintage fur so far.

The one thing I was dissapointed by was her response to the controversy. Not cool to be so indirect about a topic a lot of real fans are concerned over and care about. (but could her shout out to Hermes have been a clever way of helping her fans identify the coat, while still beneffiting from the press?....one can only wonder.....)

[KillMeSarah 0]

The difference is that when they kill a cow they do it to get the meat, after they do that they get what is rest, which is the leather. They dont kill cows just to get leather.

Unfortunately this is a common misconception. Please watch The Earthlings.

You're forgetting that some animals are killed both for fur and for meat. Not just one or the other. Most of the animals you see being killed for fur, are eaten in many countries and there are a market for them.

This is also not true. 99% of fur used in the fashion industry is obtained from Chinese fur farms, which exist for the sole purpose of obtaining fur. The rest of the animal is discarded. Please watch The Earthlings.

[Alphaz 7,956]

can't she just say that it's real or fake? why she have to be so cryptic?

so typical Gaga

[HybridWarhol 7]

Unfortunately this is a common misconception. Please watch The Earthlings.

This is also not true. 99% of fur used in the fashion industry is obtained from Chinese fur farms, which exist for the sole purpose of obtaining fur. The rest of the animal is discarded. Please watch The Earthlings.

You're completely missing the point.

What types of animals are killed for fur that there are not eaten in other countries? Whether those specific animals' remains from those fur farms are discarded or not, that's not my point. My point is that there is a market in many countries for meat from animals to be used for food. These same types of animals that are eaten are also some of the same types of animals that are killed for fur.

For food or for clothing, animals are being killed. If you're against animal cruelty, you should be against ALL types of animal cruelty. It's hypocritical to criticize someone for wearing fur or leather, while you're eating your hamburger or your chicken legs. Both are unnecessary cruelty and murder of animals. People are picking and choosing which "types" of animal cruelty they're against. At the end of the day, it's all animal cruelty. Animals are still being killed, no matter what is done with their corpses. That's my point.

Edited August 15, 2012 by TheNextOne

[My Little Phoney 658]

Yeah yeah let's call Michael Moore to make an overly dramatic documentary about this that proves nothing but the fact he's a famehooker

[Guest anki]

I've done my research and not all fur killings are gruesome like the horror videos we see, some animals are killed in the exact same way that some are killed for their meat (small stun bullet to head which not only kills on impact but also stuns the animal meaning it feels no pain if the bullet does not kill on impact). It all comes down to price, if you buy cheap fur then it's either going to be fake or the animal had no life at all, exactly the same with meat, if you buy it cheap it'll either be a bad cut or the animal had no life.

Why are you making it sound like the animals are having a jolly good life? They're farmed and their fur is harvested. They're living in cages that are too small and many die before they're even harvested. They suffer and there are no excuses for that.

Sure, their meat is collected and used as fertilizers and such but I can live without that.

"Wild fur" if of course an option and there are people out there that try to make the most of the animals and where the fur is a bi-product of the meat and that is good and all.

But the bottom line is that fur isn't NEEDED for survival. It's a fashion statement and not a good one at that.

[KillMeSarah 0]

You're completely missing the point.

What types of animals are killed for fur that there are not eaten in other countries? Whether those specific animals' remains from those fur farms are discarded or not, that's not my point. My point is that there is a market in many countries for meat from animals to be used for food. These same types of animals that are eaten are also some of the same types of animals that are killed for fur.

For food or for clothing, animals are being killed. If you're against animal cruelty, you should be against ALL types of animal cruelty. It's hypocritical to criticize someone for wearing fur or leather, while you're eating your hamburger or your chicken legs. Both are unnecessary cruelty and murder of animals. People are picking and choosing which "types" of animal cruelty they're against. At the end of the day, it's all animal cruelty. Animals are still being killed, no matter what is done with their corpses. That's my point.

The fur industry uses pelts obtained on fur farms, which are what Gaga would be wearing if hers are real. That is the issue at hand, my dear.

Your point of view is only relevant those who have a black and white view of the world (which I don't, thank god). The "all or nothing" logic doesn't work in the real world. On top of that, change doesn't happen overnight. (you can look to the government for excellent proof of both those points).

PLEASE watch the Earthlings. You are in dire need of education on this matter.

I am very interested to hear from you after you've watched, because I am certain you will not be 100% against everything OR 100% for everything- you will be in the middle, like most everyone else.

Edited August 15, 2012 by KillMeSarah

[HybridWarhol 7]

The fur industry uses pelts obtained on fur farms, which are what Gaga would be wearing if hers are real. That is the issue at hand, my dear.

Your point of view is only relevant those who have a black and white view of the world (which I don't, thank god). The "all or nothing" logic doesn't work in the real world. On top of that, change doesn't happen overnight. (you can look to the government for excellent proof of both those points).

PLEASE watch the Earthlings. You are in dire need of education on this matter.

I am very interested to hear from you after you've watched, because I am certain you will not be 100% against everything OR 100% for everything- you will be in the middle, like most everyone else.

There are multiple things wrong with your post.

1.) The issue at hand is PETA and Lady Gaga's coats. I've already given my a--lysis of PETA attacking celebrities like Gaga without any confirmation of her fur being real. Now I'm discussing PETA's intentions in general. They say that they're "saving animals from cruelty and murder" but they're only saving them from being tortured and killed for fur. This topic is directly related to the topic in the OP, and multiple posts on this thread by other members. If you don't want to discuss this topic, you can kindly refrain from commenting on my posts.

2.) I never said anything about change happening overnight, that comment is irrelevant to my post and to the topic at hand.

3.) What's black-and-white about what I said? That's like saying you're against racism, but only racism against blacks. Or saying you fight for LGBT rights, but only the rights of lesbians. What's so black-and-white about supporting animal rights? These people have no problem being animals tortured and killed for their meat, but they lose their **** when animals are tortured and killed for their fur.

All-or-nothing does work in the real world. LGBT rights activists are fighting for the rights of ALL gays, lesbians, bis-xuals, and transgendered people, not just some of them. American civil rights activists in the past have worked to preserve the civil rights of ALL people, not just some people. So what's so illogical about people who claim to be against animal cruelty, to actually be against ALL animal cruelty? What point are you missing?

4.) I am very informed on this matter. I know all about the fashion industry and the meat industry, and I know the process for killing animals for both industries, and I know about the types of animals that are commonly used for both, thank you very much. Who are you to tell me how much I am informed? From your comments, it seems you've only read parts of my posts.

5.) Just like your last posts, you are still missing my point. I'm not sure if you're just reading what you want to read, or if you're actually missing some of the points I've brought up. You've jumped on every other point I've brought up besides my main point. If you're not going to discuss the main point that I've brought up, then please refrain from commenting on my posts. :)

Edited August 15, 2012 by TheNextOne

[Mister G 10,333]

If it's synthetic/fake/faux or whatever you want to call it, I don't see what big problem is?? People are just overreacting as usual :huh:

Edited August 15, 2012 by Mister G

[KillMeSarah 0]

..........

Have you watched the Earthlings yet?

[Bojana 568]

I will just say one more thing: Meat Dress!

[HybridWarhol 7]

Have you watched the Earthlings yet?

This doesn't have anything to do with the topic that I brought up (that you keep avoiding). I'm going to ask you again, if you're not going to discuss the topic I've brought up, and if you're going to constantly insult me by questioning by knowledge about this topic, then please stop commenting on my posts.

You can post on this thread and give your opinion without commenting to or about me. I've respected your opinion, yet you constantly insult mine, because you personally don't agree with it. That's very immature, and I'd suggest that you work on that. Anyway, have a nice day!! :kisses:

Edited August 15, 2012 by TheNextOne