Trudeau accused of "Radical Multiculturalism"

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

1 minute ago, Economy said:

What stuff do u deliver again?

 

I haven't been to any of the cities u mentioned. In the US I've been to New Wark and Elizabeth (both near Jersey City) and then Brokten (I dunno if that's how you spell it) which is near Boston both regions because I have family that lives there. 

Today I delivered Tractor tires in Billings Montana.. some times take furniture, or retail stock...

Sometimes I take sports teams eqiptment from stadiums

Sometimes I deliver stage lighting and electrical equipment or audio to production or stages or trade show 

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@StrawberryBlond I won't quote your comment because it's so long so I'll just tag you

 

I agree with what your saying about whites looking into their culture. I know Canada for example has a lot of original culture from when it was founded

 

But what I'm also saying is most of it has died. In the Country perhaps a lot of the old ways still have survived but in the cities where over 81% of the population lives most of the "Canadian Culture" is dead

 

Cuisines, music, fashion trends are all imported mostly. And our proximity to the US with such tight media (we share tv channels and even some radio stations) make modern culture extremely American not necessarily what Canada has evolved to but rather what the US evolved to

 

I know of a few things still around that you can say is pretty unique to Canada or some customs but original ways have pretty much died

 

Tbh I'm ok with it. I'm Canadian born but come from a Portuguese immigrant family. Almost everyone here is in immigrant, my lineage isn't even in the original Canadians even tho I'm Canadian

 

I care more about the culture of diversity now than what is original. To me it's fine. I still appreciate the odd old customs that have survived tho

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Wtf.

'Radical multicultural' is the dumbest thing to accuse someone of 

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13 hours ago, Economy said:

Toronto by many rankings is considered the most multicultural city in the world and it's perfectly safe for a gay to walk out. What I find is that when immigrants are respected they in turn respect our society back. Most immigrants are not vocal about things they disagree with her at least not in an activist level

 

You see American born people from red States be way more problematic about accepting new social standards than immigrants who come here tbh

And in Sweden we now have no-go zones where the police can’t even enter because it’s considered too dangerous, so I guess it’s not a one size fits all situation. 

[Melech 9,900]

13 hours ago, Economy said:

Toronto by many rankings is considered the most multicultural city in the world and it's perfectly safe for a gay to walk out. What I find is that when immigrants are respected they in turn respect our society back. Most immigrants are not vocal about things they disagree with her at least not in an activist level

Is because Canada has a strict immigration policy and lays Geography well , because it only shared one border with America and nothing else. None of the places where refugees come from is close in comparasion to Europe. Canada will never suddenly deal with 1 million refugees.  

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5 hours ago, Melech said:

Is because Canada has a strict immigration policy and lays Geography well , because it only shared one border with America and nothing else. None of the places where refugees come from is close in comparasion to Europe. Canada will never suddenly deal with 1 million refugees.  

A very sudden unexpected surge of refugees that Europe dealt with I agree with u it's bound to cause social issues

 

But on topic to the thread to immigration in general (including a stable portion of immigration numbers set for refugees) and adding diversity in the tone to which this guy was tweeting is perfectly fine and has worked for us for many decades

 

The diversity is huge here and that hasn't caused the kind of social caps or stereotypes that they create high crime or live in slums. That's what I was getting at.

 

In my city whites are a minority but actually make up the majority of the poor slum neighborhoods with lots of drugs, prostitution and government housing

 

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6 hours ago, Melech said:

Is because Canada has a strict immigration policy and lays Geography well , because it only shared one border with America and nothing else. None of the places where refugees come from is close in comparasion to Europe. Canada will never suddenly deal with 1 million refugees.  

That's a good point...The border with the US has a lot of remote and difficult to access regions or giant bodies of water.

For the US, the Mexican border has such a large area that policing it would take too many people, plus the illegal immigration isn't one giant surge, but a steady flow that has occurred of decades...

 

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56 minutes ago, Economy said:

A very sudden unexpected surge of refugees that Europe dealt with I agree with u it's bound to cause social issues

 

But on topic to the thread to immigration in general (including a stable portion of immigration numbers set for refugees) and adding diversity in the tone to which this guy was tweeting is perfectly fine and has worked for us for many decades

 

The diversity is huge here and that hasn't caused the kind of social caps or stereotypes that they create high crime or live in slums. That's what I was getting at.

 

In my city whites are a minority but actually make up the majority of the poor slum neighborhoods with lots of drugs, prostitution and government housing

 

Yes but that is because Canada’s immigration is a strict one. Canada allows skilled person to immigrate there. That’s why Canada doesn’t have slums or ghettos like Europe has. 

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1 hour ago, Woolfsmck said:

That's a good point...The border with the US has a lot of remote and difficult to access regions or giant bodies of water.

For the US, the Mexican border has such a large area that policing it would take too many people, plus the illegal immigration isn't one giant surge, but a steady flow that has occurred of decades...

 

Plus Americans in general aren't desperate to leave unless they are criminals trying to flee police so even if land wasn't difficult to cross it still wouldn't be a major issue

 

 

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38 minutes ago, Melech said:

Yes but that is because Canada’s immigration is a strict one. Canada allows skilled person to immigrate there. That’s why Canada doesn’t have slums or ghettos like Europe has. 

Your exagarating how skilled they are. Up until recent changes only 60% of immigrants were in the category of "economic immigrants" tho that number was recently increased

 

My city (Brampton) is the largest Indian community in the world outside India itself, we also have a lot of Pakistani and Jamaicans. Most older Indians (over 40 to 50 or so) don't even speak English properly and many didn't finish school

 

I still do not see a foreigner dominated slum region you describe. So I think the issue is many Nations have too many social prejudiced against foreigners even if it's low key and create barriers that prevent immigrants from thriving or at least make it harder

 

Again Europe's sudden surge of refugees is a unique challaged but under normal circumstances if immigrants are given opportunity to thrive immigration doesn't have to create the issues your describing

 

There is a income gap with non-skilled immigrants to the rest of the population which isn't surprising. But they still on average do well enough that they don't end up in slums or in drug infested areas. People who grew up with bad parents and guidance from what I see are usually the ones there and it's usually white Canadians or children of Europeans that have been here a long time

 

So if were not having that issue ur describing the issue has to be with how some Nations manage their system. We accept nearly 1% of the population as immigrants annually and no problem other than a housing shortage (which has other factors at play as well by the way)

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11 minutes ago, Economy said:

still do not see a foreigner dominated slum region you describe. So I think the issue is many Nations have too many social prejudiced against foreigners even if it's low key and create barriers that prevent immigrants from thriving or at least make it harder

I already told why it’s like that. Cause Canada has a strict immigration policy compared to European nations. It has nothing to do with prejudices. Canada only shares one border, has a low population and is the second largest country in the world. 

“To start, Canada has pursued a much more selective immigration policy than the United States or any western European country.  It accepts far more immigrants legally than most Western nations, but under a policy designed primarily to dovetail with the economic interests of the nation

Further, the country sets a higher education standard for immigrants than the U.S. (which is in turn more demanding than Europe). This more-selective immigration policy is likely to lead to fewer integration problems and easier access to jobs.

Canada's selectivity is helped by its geographical position. It does not share a border with a country where wages are much lower (as the U.S. does with Mexico), and it isn't next door to unstable regions (as Europe is to North Africa and the Middle East). The result is that few undocumented migrants move across the country's southern border, as is the case in the U.S.; and few migrants land on its shores by boat, as in Europe.

Official data show that the leading countries among foreign-born residents in Canada are the United Kingdom, China and India. In the U.S., 28% are Mexicans and 24% are from other Latin American countries. In Europe, foreign-born residents originate mainly from the Muslim world (in the Netherlands, for instance, Turkey, Suriname and Morocco; in France — Algeria and Morocco). Consequently, Canada does not have to deal (at least not on the same scale) with the complex problems associated with integrating newcomers from a rural and conservative Muslim background into a highly secular environment.

Refugees accepted in Canada have been selected by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. They've had health and criminal background screenings; their identities have been permanently registered using biometric security methods such as iris scanning. Canada accepts only whole families, single women or children. Single men, considered a possible security threat, are turned away.”

 

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-may-canada-immigration-policy-20161227-story.html%3foutputType=amp

11 minutes ago, Economy said:

Again Europe's sudden surge of refugees is a unique challaged but under normal circumstances if immigrants are given opportunity to thrive immigration doesn't have to create the issues your describing

Girl, I live in Europe  it’s true that there are no go areas when you are gay.   Even Merkel admitted that those areas exist. I think she knows a little more about her Region than you do. 

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43 minutes ago, Melech said:

I already told why it’s like that. Cause Canada has a strict immigration policy compared to European nations. It has nothing to do with prejudices. Canada only shares one border, has a low population and is the second largest country in the world. 

“To start, Canada has pursued a much more selective immigration policy than the United States or any western European country.  It accepts far more immigrants legally than most Western nations, but under a policy designed primarily to dovetail with the economic interests of the nation

Further, the country sets a higher education standard for immigrants than the U.S. (which is in turn more demanding than Europe). This more-selective immigration policy is likely to lead to fewer integration problems and easier access to jobs.

Canada's selectivity is helped by its geographical position. It does not share a border with a country where wages are much lower (as the U.S. does with Mexico), and it isn't next door to unstable regions (as Europe is to North Africa and the Middle East). The result is that few undocumented migrants move across the country's southern border, as is the case in the U.S.; and few migrants land on its shores by boat, as in Europe.

Official data show that the leading countries among foreign-born residents in Canada are the United Kingdom, China and India. In the U.S., 28% are Mexicans and 24% are from other Latin American countries. In Europe, foreign-born residents originate mainly from the Muslim world (in the Netherlands, for instance, Turkey, Suriname and Morocco; in France — Algeria and Morocco). Consequently, Canada does not have to deal (at least not on the same scale) with the complex problems associated with integrating newcomers from a rural and conservative Muslim background into a highly secular environment.

Refugees accepted in Canada have been selected by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. They've had health and criminal background screenings; their identities have been permanently registered using biometric security methods such as iris scanning. Canada accepts only whole families, single women or children. Single men, considered a possible security threat, are turned away.”

 

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-may-canada-immigration-policy-20161227-story.html%3foutputType=amp

Girl, I live in Europe  it’s true that there are no go areas when you are gay.   Even Merkel admitted that those areas exist. I think she knows a little more about her Region than you do. 

What ur describing is mostly illegal or uncontrolled immigration which I agree we don't have the way the EU does

 

The Politician in this OP was referring to immigration and diversity as a whole which is a different issue.

 

Also we still get enough uneducated immigrants that if they all ended up in slums we'd see a pattern especially here in the Toronto region where the concentration of immigrants is highest

 

But in some circumstances yes, I'm not disagreeing with what ur saying

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42 minutes ago, Melech said:

I already told why it’s like that. Cause Canada has a strict immigration policy compared to European nations. It has nothing to do with prejudices. Canada only shares one border, has a low population and is the second largest country in the world. 

“To start, Canada has pursued a much more selective immigration policy than the United States or any western European country.  It accepts far more immigrants legally than most Western nations, but under a policy designed primarily to dovetail with the economic interests of the nation

Further, the country sets a higher education standard for immigrants than the U.S. (which is in turn more demanding than Europe). This more-selective immigration policy is likely to lead to fewer integration problems and easier access to jobs.

Canada's selectivity is helped by its geographical position. It does not share a border with a country where wages are much lower (as the U.S. does with Mexico), and it isn't next door to unstable regions (as Europe is to North Africa and the Middle East). The result is that few undocumented migrants move across the country's southern border, as is the case in the U.S.; and few migrants land on its shores by boat, as in Europe.

Official data show that the leading countries among foreign-born residents in Canada are the United Kingdom, China and India. In the U.S., 28% are Mexicans and 24% are from other Latin American countries. In Europe, foreign-born residents originate mainly from the Muslim world (in the Netherlands, for instance, Turkey, Suriname and Morocco; in France — Algeria and Morocco). Consequently, Canada does not have to deal (at least not on the same scale) with the complex problems associated with integrating newcomers from a rural and conservative Muslim background into a highly secular environment.

Refugees accepted in Canada have been selected by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. They've had health and criminal background screenings; their identities have been permanently registered using biometric security methods such as iris scanning. Canada accepts only whole families, single women or children. Single men, considered a possible security threat, are turned away.”

 

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-may-canada-immigration-policy-20161227-story.html%3foutputType=amp

Girl, I live in Europe  it’s true that there are no go areas when you are gay.   Even Merkel admitted that those areas exist. I think she knows a little more about her Region than you do. 

Most of the EU and Canada are small enough to actually enforce their immigration laws tho .. 

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13 minutes ago, Woolfsmck said:

Most of the EU and Canada are small enough to actually enforce their immigration laws tho .. 

I don't know how much difference population size makes. We still import more immigrants total than most larger Nations (excluding US, Germany and perhaps the UK and France I'm not sure how many they accept). We're up to 340,000 a year next year (310,000 this year)

 

What makes a difference for illegal immigrants is the geographical border advantage Canada has that u spoke of that yes I agree

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On 8/14/2018 at 1:24 AM, PunkTheFunk said:

How do we become less equal and less open when our society is more diverse? Isn't it the other way around?

Maxime Bernier, your dog-whistle politics is showing 

Do you really need that question answered? If a place has 50 people who accept lgbt marriage and 10 people come along who don't, is it more diverse? Yes. Is it less equal and less open? YES.