Andrea B 16,733 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 14 hours ago, Successfulga said: Songs like Speechless and Yöu And I are far more interesting lyrically than whatever Taylor comes up with. all too well alone has better lyrics than half of Gaga's discography. I don't agree with this thread, I don't think Taylor Swift is a legend, she's only a pop icon. BUT she can write better than Gaga. if we compare Taylor's repetitive songs to Gaga's repetitive songs Taylor wins. if we compare their ballads Taylor wins I mean All too well lyrics: Spoiler ''Well, maybe we got lost in translation, maybe I asked for too much But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up Running scared, I was there, I remember it all too well Hey, you call me up again just to break me like a promise So casually cruel in the name of being honest I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here 'Cause I remember it all, all, all... too well'' You and I: Spoiler On my birthday you sang me a heart of gold With a guitar humming and no clothes This time I'm not leaving without you We got a whole lot of money, but we still pay rent 'Cause you can't buy a house in heavenThere's only three men that I am a certain my whole life It's my daddy and Nebraska and Jesus Christ 1 All too well lyrics are really really good. Gaga is a better performer and a better singer but Taylor Swift can play the piano, and the guitar(better than Gaga) and her songwriting skills are excellent, I don't care if yall think she's a sl*t for writing about her exes, her lyrics are still good. if you want to brag about Gaga's lyrics, brag about come to mama and sinner's prayers(even tho gaga didnt write come to mama) those lyrics are her best and can compete with Taylor's lyrics. You and I's lyrics are not that impressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl 3,325 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 To be honest for me a true legend appeals to all ages and is recognised by all generations for their talent. Gaga appeals to not only younger people but also the older generations as she matured and extends her career into other areas. All you need to do is ask someone older about her and the answer is usually about how talented she is and her Tony Bennett duets and how she smashed the super bowl and stuff. Taylor is definitely talented, she’s a good songwriter but she still is kind of juvenile in her approach to music at the minute, which only really appeals to a younger audience. Who knows though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaryJaneHolland 77,348 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Spartacus said: Why is she a legend? Cuz she sells well? What has she done to impact pop culture in a way that 25 years from now people will still be talking about? Lmao it's not that deep. She doesn't have to reinvent the wheel to be a legend. What have Barbra Streisand, Celine Dion, Whitney Houston done to impact pop culture? Nothing really. But, they are still legend, because they've had big hits, talent and longevity. Does she have hits? Yes, 1989 era was one of the biggest pop girl era amoghst The Fame Monster, Teenage Dream, True Blue, Loose and others. Does she have talent? Yes. Her voice is decent and she writes all of her songs. Longevity? Yes, she kept getting bigger and bigger, she peaked with her 5th album (while most other artists peak with their 1st/2nd album), reputation was a let down from 1989, but it was still more successful than any other pop girl's latest release. GGD's obsession with "impact on pop culture" is not healthy lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
culturalbaptism 2,873 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Andree said: all too well alone has better lyrics than half of Gaga's discography. I don't agree with this thread, I don't think Taylor Swift is a legend, she's only a pop icon. BUT she can write better than Gaga. if we compare Taylor's repetitive songs to Gaga's repetitive songs Taylor wins. if we compare their ballads Taylor wins I mean All too well lyrics: Reveal hidden contents ''Well, maybe we got lost in translation, maybe I asked for too much But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up Running scared, I was there, I remember it all too well Hey, you call me up again just to break me like a promise So casually cruel in the name of being honest I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here 'Cause I remember it all, all, all... too well'' You and I: Hide contents On my birthday you sang me a heart of gold With a guitar humming and no clothes This time I'm not leaving without you We got a whole lot of money, but we still pay rent 'Cause you can't buy a house in heaven There's only three men that I am a certain my whole life It's my daddy and Nebraska and Jesus Christ 1 All too well lyrics are really really good. Gaga is a better performer and a better singer but Taylor Swift can play the piano, and the guitar(better than Gaga) and her songwriting skills are excellent, I don't care if yall think she's a sl*t for writing about her exes, her lyrics are still good. if you want to brag about Gaga's lyrics, brag about come to mama and sinner's prayers(even tho gaga didnt write come to mama) those lyrics are her best and can compete with Taylor's lyrics. You and I's lyrics are not that impressive. All Too Well lyrics are good but not interesting. My point remains. Taylor Swift will never ever be a legend. Taylor Swift is so overrated. I just can't. Judas is coming, let the cultural baptism begin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrea B 16,733 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Successfulga said: All Too Well lyrics are good but not interesting. My point remains. Taylor Swift will never ever be a legend. Taylor Swift is so overrated. I just can't. you don't know that for a fact, maybe she'll become a legend in a decade or in two decades, idk. She's still very young. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
culturalbaptism 2,873 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Just now, Andree said: you don't know that for a fact, maybe she'll become a legend in a decade or in two decades, idk. She's still very young. She hasn't accomplished anything in 12 years. In terms of legendary status. I know she sells well yada yada. Judas is coming, let the cultural baptism begin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrea B 16,733 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Successfulga said: She hasn't accomplished anything in 12 years. In terms of legendary status. I know she sells well yada yada. again you don't know the future Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smother Em Eh 7,064 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 No, just no. I wouldn’t even call her an icon. She’s just another pop star tbh. Get Applause & G.U.Y to 1B views! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smother Em Eh 7,064 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 28 minutes ago, Successfulga said: All Too Well lyrics are good but not interesting. My point remains. Taylor Swift will never ever be a legend. Taylor Swift is so overrated. I just can't. You choose some good lyrics but not BTW’s or Gagas best. The Queens bridge>>> Every Taylor Lyric in her discography Starry night come inside me like never before Don't forget me when I come crying to heaven's door I will fly on a challenger across the sky Like a phoenix so you can remind them of the dream I bore Get Applause & G.U.Y to 1B views! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
culturalbaptism 2,873 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Smother Em Eh said: You choose some good lyrics but not BTW’s or Gagas best. The Queens bridge>>> Every Taylor Lyric in her discography Starry night come inside me like never before Don't forget me when I come crying to heaven's door I will fly on a challenger across the sky Like a phoenix so you can remind them of the dream I bore Only a few can achieve Gaga's level of raw talent. Judas is coming, let the cultural baptism begin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickens in Malibu 7,873 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 No thanks... Her most recent album is really a let down. The songs are very easily forgettable and delicate lyrics make me cringe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake D 576 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Dear God, the amount of pressed people in this thread in insane. At the end of the day, artists are remembered (outside the stan community) because they made good music, not because of perceived cultural impact. Nothing is more impactful than releasing consistently good songs and albums that people relate to and love. The general public doesn't care about Madonna's controversy or Michael's scandals, they care that they delivered bop after timeless bop which Taylor does in spades. ANYONE in this thread saying Taylor isn't a strong songwriter is ridiculous. She's consistently recognized by respected music critics for being an extremely talented lyricist. That's why she's endured so well across multiple genres of music. Good writing is timeless and infinitely accessible. Girlfriend is one of the most successful and highest selling musicians of all time in an era where music doesn't sell. She's about to have one of the biggest, if not the biggest, female solo tour of all time. She already has more Grammys than many "legends" and she's over a decade into her career and still on top. Stop imposing your insecurities about Gaga's legend status in a thread that has nothing to do with that and recognize Taylor's undeniable accomplishments. Bonus: I was a musical theatre major at NYU and I think Taylor's voice is good. No, she's not Whitney, but neither was Madonna. Just because she isn't the greatest vocalist of her generation doesn't mean she can't sing. Besides, there are other markers of great musicianship like her writing all of her music and playing several instruments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus 4,485 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 3 hours ago, MaryJaneHolland said: Lmao it's not that deep. She doesn't have to reinvent the wheel to be a legend. What have Barbra Streisand, Celine Dion, Whitney Houston done to impact pop culture? Nothing really. But, they are still legend, because they've had big hits, talent and longevity. Does she have hits? Yes, 1989 era was one of the biggest pop girl era amoghst The Fame Monster, Teenage Dream, True Blue, Loose and others. Does she have talent? Yes. Her voice is decent and she writes all of her songs. Longevity? Yes, she kept getting bigger and bigger, she peaked with her 5th album (while most other artists peak with their 1st/2nd album), reputation was a let down from 1989, but it was still more successful than any other pop girl's latest release. GGD's obsession with "impact on pop culture" is not healthy lol Stopped reading after that. Well there you have it folks! I knew I shouldn't have even come into this thread. The ignorance. -𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐅𝐀𝐌𝐄 𝐄𝐍𝐈𝐆𝐌𝐀™ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino 34 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 I disagree. When I think of legends in the music industry, I think of MJ, The Beatles, Whitney, Elvis Presley, Queen, Etc.. I don’t even think Beyoncé, Britney, Xtina or Gaga are legends. Just yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaryJaneHolland 77,348 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 33 minutes ago, Spartacus said: Stopped reading after that. Well there you have it folks! I knew I shouldn't have even come into this thread. The ignorance. What kind of impact on pop culture did they have? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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