Knife 7,105 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 This sums up the goal of all Iranian allies in the region, especially Hamas like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florian 20,017 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Yemeni Feed said: They never had the right to. Well they kinda had the right to. I had written someting here but I think the rest of my post will answer to that part 2 hours ago, Yemeni Feed said: Dont the Native Americans also deserve the whole north and south americas? Where do you expect the Jews to go ? They've literally been chased out of their territory by the Romans, then they've been persecuted in every continent, they were banned to enter many countries, had to live isolated and not mix into societes. For the way History has treated them and to avoid it in the future they deserve a place where they won't be discriminated. This can only be done by the creation of a Jewish state. It can't even be compared to Native Americans. USA wanted natives to assimilate and be part of American society (I won't discuss why I think it was a very bad thing). For the Jews it's the opposite : nobody wanted to include them, they could stay and live somehow peaceful lives as long as they didn't mix into societies (Is that what you expect from a "peaceful life" ?) 2 hours ago, Yemeni Feed said: Also isreal did not exist before 1949 so lets get that straight. I never said it existed before. Zionism appeared at the end of the 19th century and Jew started to buy lands in Palestine. After WW1 and the end of the Ottoman Empire , the UK got a mandate in Palestine from the LN to create both Arab and Jew states. The deal seems fair to me especially because Jerusalem was meant to stay under international control to avoid conflicts. Jews were ok with what they could get, Arabs weren't. Israel declared independence, Arabs neighbours attacked, Israel won and started to colonize territories that were meant to be part of the Arab State, etc. Everyone did wrong and today's situation is just the result of this mess from every parties involved. 2 hours ago, Yemeni Feed said: Palestine has no government but a few terrorist groups taking over the whole area The UN recognized Palestine as a non-member observer state hence it has a government. They can be terrorists but that's still a government 2 hours ago, Yemeni Feed said: It basically is. Before Isreal had its state, arabs in the region had no conflict. Right after though, they did obviously because the isrealis just went in and took over the whole region after taking half of their land. Ofc the region had "no conflict" (as no war, internal issues existed like every part of the world) before because everything was kept tight by the Ottoman Empire. But as soon as the Ottoman Empire declined, smaller entities dreamnt about indepence. It's a common phenomenon, it happened with the colonies, after WW2 in Europe, after the end of USSR, etc. This process can be more or less peaceful. It's ok when smaller parts don't fight for territories (most part of the Soviet Republics) or it can get super messy when they fight for territories (Turkey trying to get Greece and Cyprus). I agree with you about the colonization of the territories meant to be part of the Arab State, Israel shouldn't have done that and I hope a solution will be find in the next couple of years to give the control of those lands to the Arab state. As I said before, no land would have been stolen if the Arab neighbours didn't attack Israel the day after they declare independence. Few years ago, Israel was actually going in the right path to give back some lands but everything was ruined because of Iran (imo). However the use of weapon on civilian population from both side (but mainly Israeli army) can't be justified. And I'd like to say that I do not take side in this conflict, I condemn the settlement in Arab state territories, I condemn the violence from both side and I pray for the peace in that area asap. I support both the creation of an Arab State and a Jew State. EDIT : It's long and I'm lazy to check for mistakes So please forgive me if you find some @Yemeni Feed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon 10,932 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 a mess ... and now i just sit in silence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkTheFunk 125,733 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 The Israeli Embassy is throwing shade at a nuclear state with a Mean Girls gif on Twitter. Just let that sentence sink in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 15 hours ago, SFDMQ said: so just because they're not saint, they deserved to be killed? a few days ago a palestinian medic was being shot dead by israeli sniper while she was trying to give aid to the wounded people. let's not act like israeli are saints either. edit: and it's not palestinians fault that the jews were homeless years ago. that's hitler's fault. Islamic Turks actually like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlepotter 76,624 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 On 6/5/2018 at 4:17 PM, Florian said: Let's not forget history tho ! Before the creation of the state, Israel agreed on the creation of both Jew and Arab states with Jerusalem being under international control. And who refused ? All the arab countries ! Why ? Simply for lands as they wanted the whole area to be led by the Arab state. After centuries of persecutions in every continent of the world, the Jews deserved a place they could call home and feel safe there. It sounds logical that this place should be on the land of their ancestors. I condemn Israeli colonies in Palestinian territories but let's get real, Arab countries has always been the most belligerent since even before the creation of Israel. Israel is feeling threatened and for right reasons ! I mean most Arab countries want the complete destruction of Israel and stress the area every time they can. You can't expect Israel to be all cuddles all rainbows when their neighbours want the annihilation of the country. Negociations need to be made concerning the territories but I don't see that happening with the hostilities of Iran. And let's stop with the "Israel is the bad guy" too. Both governments are as toxic. And both are killing people. This whole situation is way too complex to be summed up with "let me kill you, take you land and then lets make peace". It's a decades old conflict with wrongs from every parties involved (Israeli, Palestinians and their arab neighbours). When did I state they deserved to be killed lmao I just don't like your narrative about Israel being the only bad guy in this situation. It's totally unfair and delusional. The creation of the state of Israel was discussed yeaaaaaars before Hitler was even a thing. We're talking about the persecution of a minority from every parts of the world that has lasted for centuries !! i really do NOT understand how people still make this RIDICULOUS argument. "arab countries want the whole region for themselves". um, DUH? what the **** is this argument even supposed to mean? imagine all arabs just deciding to open a ****ing arab state in america by raping the land, america defending utself, and them saying "we want a state to ourselves why does america want to control the whole region!" BECAUSE IT'S ITS ****ING REGION oh my god you people are either hypocritical or brainwashed. israel is nothing more than a surrogate for the West because they couldnt leave the arabs alone and had to infiltrate the region one way or another. chaeri pls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted June 6, 2018 Author Share Posted June 6, 2018 nvm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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