Kanye West's thoughts on slavery: 'That sounds like a choice'

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3 hours ago, MJHolland said:

Yeah, and the sufferage movement started LONG before the Civil War!

Kayne is implying that black people did nothing before the civil war. That’s false. People struggled and fought for freedom and payed an awesome price for it.

But guess what? The turning point didn’t happen until the Civil War when WHITE FREE PEOPLE decided to fight for black people’s freedom. It took until attitudes changed until progress was made. It has nothing to do with black people wanted or fighting for freedom. 

Same goes for the gay rigjts movement. Yes, people fought. But policies didn’t change until straight people became allies. 

Read a history book. You and Kayne are wrong and ignorant towards the plight of oppressed people. 

 

 

I don't agree with Kanye's remarks, which I made clear on the the very first page of this thread.

And while I appreciate your concern about my reading habits, I'm actually a fairly voracious reader. Which is how I knew you were so wildly wrong when you said the gay rights movement had to wait until the 1990's to march on Washington, or that they had to wait until the tide of public opinion turned in their favor. Both of those statements are wildly untrue. Both of those statements do an incredible disservice to pioneering activists; activists who's choices I owe my freedom to.

 

 

14 minutes ago, misunderstood said:

I agree with this, and I say this as a mixed gay man. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Thank you.

 

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19 hours ago, SKANK said:

 

Well, your hypothetical gay man wouldn't be entirely wrong, would he? It wasn't the fault of gay people that they were an oppressed class, but it was their choice to no longer accept oppression that birthed their civil rights movement. They weren't handed freedom, they fought for it. Which I believe is what Kanye is implying with his comment, as he clarified on twitter.

 

Completely agree. People are taking the bait "Kanye says slavery is a choice" and misinterpreting the ultimate meaning behind his words. Again as I previously stated in my own post, not to say that I agree with Kanye but I get what hes attempting to bring forward. People are just so quick to react and condemn.

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4 minutes ago, Inferno said:

Completely agree. People are taking the bait "Kanye says slavery is a choice" and misinterpreting the ultimate meaning behind his words. Again as I previously stated in my own post, not to say that I agree with Kanye but I get what hes attempting to bring forward. People are just so quick to react and condemn.

 

I think you are right about people being too quick to react and condemn. An entire generation of kids grew up in a school system that valued zero tolerance polices over critical thinking, and now that generation rules the Canceled Culture.

Kanye has lofty ideas, but lacks the knowledge to back them, so he occasionally says ignorant things. Which gives people the perfect excuse to dust off their soapboxes.

I'm glad we both prefer ignorant dreamers over nasty pedagogues.

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On 5/2/2018 at 12:56 AM, SKANK said:

 

Well, your hypothetical gay man wouldn't be entirely wrong, would he? It wasn't the fault of gay people that they were an oppressed class, but it was their choice to no longer accept oppression that birthed their civil rights movement. They weren't handed freedom, they fought for it. Which I believe is what Kanye is implying with his comment, as he clarified on twitter.

 

This is also my take on what Kanye said. Which puts him not so far from anti-racists militants like the Black Panthers imo. Ìt also shows how diverse and wide is the spectrum of ideology in the black american community, it is far from a one  sided, unique block. I wouldn't in any way demonize Kanye for that.

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18 hours ago, SKANK said:

 

 

I don't agree with Kanye's remarks, which I made clear on the the very first page of this thread.

And while I appreciate your concern about my reading habits, I'm actually a fairly voracious reader. Which is how I knew you were so wildly wrong when you said the gay rights movement had to wait until the 1990's to march on Washington, or that they had to wait until the tide of public opinion turned in their favor. Both of those statements are wildly untrue. Both of those statements do an incredible disservice to pioneering activists; activists who's choices I owe my freedom to.

 

 

 

Thank you.

 

I never said the gay rights movement didn’t start until the 1990s. 

I said, and am still right about this, that the gay rights movement didn’t make a widespread demonstrable impact on government policies UNTIL the 1990s when public opinion started to shift in our favor. That is just true. 

My whole POINT was that gay people and black people DID want freedom from oppression before their respective movements made headwinds. 

My whole point was that absolitionists did NOT wait around 400 years before “decididing” they wanted to be free. 

My entire point was that gay people did NOT wait until the 1990s to chose freedom. They got freedom then only because public opinion galvanized their longheld demands. 

How do you still not get it...