US Charts Discussion

[La Rosalia 9,906]

But they have a different #1 every week or so. I prefer the US charts, because a song can go #1 in the UK and sell less than a song that peaked at #6 or something like that. No songs have longevity on that chart.

But, based on the Uk, what defines the success of one song compared to its competitors are the sales that are represented through the year end charts. Billboard gives a digital sales year end chart and it's fine that they have the hot 100 to measure both: radio and sales, I just think that radio needs to have a less important role defining a song's sucess on that chart. As Craig pointed out, radio was not fair with Y&I or BTW even though they were having good sales, and, at the end of the day, that's what screwed BTW's year end charting.

[Valentino 4]

Excuse my ignorance but what is TGT?

The Greatest Thing

This!

I think if they set it up correctly, it could be a decent hit for both.

[Arturo 40,746]

BTW was a bigger hit than TEOG if you just glance at the chart positions and look at sales

But which song STILL- after 15 months of release - gets played on radio?

TEOG

I'd rather have TEOG still being played on radio stations than have it have the large amount of chart success that BTW had :coffee:

Edited August 5, 2012 by Arturo52311

[Bloody Mary 12]

BTW was a bigger hit than TEOG if you just glance at the chart positions and look at sales

But which song STILL- after 15 months of release - gets played on radio?

TEOG

I'd rather have TEOG still being played on radio stations than have it have the large amount of chart success that BTW had

Good point. BTW has better peaks but TEOG has greater longevity.

[La Rosalia 9,906]

But which song STILL- after 15 months of release - gets played on radio?

TEOG

But, who's buying it? How does a song gets bennefited for being played on radio if anyone's buying it?

It's the radio stations decision to play the song, but sales are the biggest expression of a song success with the general public. Any person buys a song because he/she likes it, but radio airplay does not define if people like the song or not (I'm based on your BTW/EOG comparison, of course radio plays songs that people liked, but they measure this with sales )

I think if they set it up correctly, it could be a decent hit for both.

yup, it needs to be released before Gaga's album. This way the stans will buy it instantly. It would be cool if it got released like a month after Gaga's first sinle or viceversa, this way Gaga can perform the song whenever she performs her single. The bad thing about this is that radio might only play one of the songs.

[Ozzy8923 9]

Actually, that's true, many songs would have a much higher peak if Digital Sales counted more. Judas would of peaked higher, so would TEOG (#2 to be exact), YAI would of peaked at #4, Paparazzi as well and BR would of gone #1.... Nevermind, the UK way is better!

[La Rosalia 9,906]

Actually, that's true, many songs would have a much higher peak if Digital Sales counted more. Judas would of peaked higher, so would TEOG (#2 to be exact), YAI would of peaked at #4, Paparazzi as well and BR would of gone #1.... Nevermind, the UK way is better!

those peaks

[Arturo 40,746]

Actually, that's true, many songs would have a much higher peak if Digital Sales counted more. Judas would of peaked higher, so would TEOG (#2 to be exact), YAI would of peaked at #4, Paparazzi as well and BR would of gone #1.... Nevermind, the UK way is better!

But, who's buying it? How does a song gets bennefited for being played on radio if anyone's buying it?

It's the radio stations decision to play the song, but sales are the biggest expression of a song success with the general public. Any person buys a song because he/she likes it, but radio airplay does not define if people like the song or not (I'm based on your BTW/EOG comparison, of course radio plays songs that people liked,

I agree, it's sales do show what the people like the most.

But let's not forget, TEOG's sales are still great because BTW's sales were much bigger only because it has the anticipation from fans that a lead single from an artist like Gaga usually gets.

Even though radio is really important, I think sales should count more than radio because you're right; it's a reflection of what the public wants

Edited August 5, 2012 by Arturo52311

[La Rosalia 9,906]

TEOG's sales are still great because BTW's sales were much bigger only because it has the anticipation from fans that a lead single from an artist like Gaga usually gets.

Well, this is true. I don't think that Born This Way would have been a hit if it were released when the album was already out.

[Klou 2,414]

Digital sales shows the initial interest in a song, but radio can be a representation of how a song is received after repeated listens. You might like a song and buy it on iTunes, but tire of it quickly. A song that is requested/played often on radio shows the song may not get old as quickly as some other songs. It's good they use both formats to determine Hot 100 position. I think its skewed too far in favor of radio, obviously, but I don't think one or the other is a better indication of the popularity of the song.

[Arturo 40,746]

Digital sales shows the initial interest in a song, but radio can be a representation of how a song is received after repeated listens. You might like a song and buy it on iTunes, but tire of it quickly. A song that is requested/played often on radio shows the song may not get old as quickly as some other songs. It's good they use both formats to determine Hot 100 position. I think its skewed too far in favor of radio, obviously, but I don't think one or the other is a better indication of the popularity of the song.

Yeah, Billboard needs to change the rules and not let radio dominate so much.

[Rocky 21]

I think this too, but on terms of the hot 100 I'm not so sure if it's going to be #1. I don't trust them since BTW has the 9th best selling single and it charted at #19

#18, to be correct. And TEOG just missed the 25. :confuse:

[Valentino 4]

But, who's buying it? How does a song gets bennefited for being played on radio if anyone's buying it?

It's the radio stations decision to play the song, but sales are the biggest expression of a song success with the general public. Any person buys a song because he/she likes it, but radio airplay does not define if people like the song or not (I'm based on your BTW/EOG comparison, of course radio plays songs that people liked, but they measure this with sales )

yup, it needs to be released before Gaga's album. This way the stans will buy it instantly. It would be cool if it got released like a month after Gaga's first sinle or viceversa, this way Gaga can perform the song whenever she performs her single. The bad thing about this is that radio might only play one of the songs.

That's truuuuue. =o3

I hope it doesn't cawkblock Gaga's lead single in any way shape or form. If one has to suffer, I don't want it to be Gaga's lead. -_-

[boysboysboys 278]

I'm really curious why the Clean Version of Payphone is so high on iTunes versus the Explicit version... The Explicit version was always selling more, but now its at #70 and the clean version at #19.

Pound The Alarm - #31

People didn't bother, period. :P Also, it's not that good.

Lower, LOWER!

Yeah, Billboard needs to change the rules and not let radio dominate so much.

There's nothing we can do. My theory is that they did it so some artists would stop buying their own songs.

[Tommymonster44 0]

well its down on itunes, and it bullet in radio is dying already at #20 in pop. not a good thing....looks like a Judas "hit"

I don't understand your comparison between Do Doubt and Gaga? Would you be able to elaborate on that? How does No Doubt's current career characteristics have anything to do with Gaga's during the Born This Way era?

As for the song's iTunes performance, I think everybody knew that it was going to fail terrible. The thing about older artists is that they have a problem selling singles. They rely more on album sales.

As for the songs Radio performance, it's doing quite well. I'm guessing you are coming to conclusion that it's dying because of it's bullet decrease? Did you take the time to compare that songs bullet to other song's on Chr/Pop? It still is the fastest growing song on there.