blackthorns 487 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 I'd say its pretty 50/50 actually. That being said lesbian fans of her seem to be a rare niche that end up in a following chain. On tumblr I've accidentally followed almost exclusively lesbian little monsters. If you need me, you know where to find me: seeking validation and self-love in my dumpster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,820 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Phaye Monster said: Mess I’m a straight female too sorry to disappoint Oops, sorry! Just the way you phrased it, I thought you meant you were a straight guy! I've been there too - despite being here for nearly 8 years, some members still assume I'm a gay man. It's funny because in any other forum, if you have a feminine username and you seem to have female interests and mannerisms, people would naturally assume you were female, so it's quite a different world! 10 minutes ago, Diamonster said: Yeah I felt the same when seeing they were impressed there were women fans of her, we look up to her! She's a woman like us and has got so far and is so strong and badass while being feminine. And it's true that gay men take a lot from us females and some treat us really bad, and act disgusted about women, or as if we're less than them. Of course not generalizing, but it's something that happens. I know, what's so surprising about a woman relating to another woman? No one is surprised when a gay man listens to Sam Smith, do they? They're both gay men, so it's natural. But a bisexual female like Gaga having straight female fans blows minds, apparently. Just because she's such a vocal supporter of the LGBT community (which includes women anyway) doesn't erase any relatability she might have to straight women. So saying, I think she had a lot more straight female fans pre-BTW. I think that era ended a lot of that support because so many women now thought she was a singer for the gays and therefore not "one of them" anymore, which is so sad. And I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that there's notable sexism towards women in the gay community. There's a sizeable portion who appropriate womanhood and then have the nerve to exclude us and be mean to us. And the amount who act in the most OTT stereotypical way, thinking that this is normal female expression really irks me. I've rarely seen a woman walk with a hip swivel, run with arms flailing, do limp wrist gestures, overly flutter their eyelashes or talk in a lispy voice. So where have gay men picked up on this, believing that they act this way because they have more oestrogen in their system and are therefore more feminine? It's more like a parody of femininity than an expression of it but it's very difficult to say this without some serious tension flaring up. Being silenced by a gay man is something that's happened to me more than once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FGGrayson 9,670 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 T A L E N T 𝗟𝗮𝗱𝘆 𝗚𝗮𝗴𝗮 • 𝗠𝗮𝗻𝗱𝘆 𝗠𝗼𝗼𝗿𝗲 • 𝗦𝗼𝗽𝗵𝗶𝗲-𝗘𝗹𝗹𝗶𝘀 𝗕𝗲𝘅𝘁𝗼𝗿 • 𝗣𝗮𝗿𝗶𝘀 𝗝𝗮𝗰𝗸𝘀𝗼𝗻 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctelus 2,892 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 It's weird how sexual orientation seems like it affects music taste, sense of humour, personality. Maybe it does idk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonster 1,786 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: And I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that there's notable sexism towards women in the gay community. There's a sizeable portion who appropriate womanhood and then have the nerve to exclude us and be mean to us. And the amount who act in the most OTT stereotypical way, thinking that this is normal female expression really irks me. I've rarely seen a woman walk with a hip swivel, run with arms flailing, do limp wrist gestures, overly flutter their eyelashes or talk in a lispy voice. So where have gay men picked up on this, believing that they act this way because they have more oestrogen in their system and are therefore more feminine? It's more like a parody of femininity than an expression of it but it's very difficult to say this without some serious tension flaring up. Being silenced by a gay man is something that's happened to me more than once. Yesss, I've met many types of gay men but there's some really mean, that look down on girls and judge if you aren't what they consider feminine, and think men should be into them only. I'm a gay girl and just imagine the looks I've got from some of them over the fact I'm a woman that happens to be in love and date a woman, I've not even got any of those from all the straight girls I'm friends with! I've never been like that when I find out some guy is dating a guy, whatever goes best with you! I just want people to be happy. But why take so much from us, and then see us less than... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
getto 1,552 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 2 hours ago, ND4 said: wait... most of you are gay? I'm not. But yeah, most of them are... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Oo 39 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 I think Gaga turned us gay, I mean who wouldn't want to be gay for real Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
getto 1,552 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said: Hit me up some time! I'm always looking for straight guys here! They're just as wild (I sound like such a slut now)! I'm a straight male. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,820 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, Diamonster said: Yesss, I've met many types of gay men but there's some really mean, that look down on girls and judge if you aren't what they consider feminine, and think men should be into them only. I'm a gay girl and just imagine the looks I've got from some of them over the fact I'm a woman that happens to be in love and date a woman, I've not even got any of those from all the straight girls I'm friends with! I've never been like that when I find out some guy is dating a guy, whatever goes best with you! I just want people to be happy. But why take so much from us, and then see us less than... So, you get a lot of pushback from gay men for feeling same sex desire? That is very odd. I've certainly seen some who, once they find out that they guy they're crushing on is straight, start looking down upon the woman he's with. As if she doesn't deserve him and has stolen him away from being with a man even though his heterosexuality would make that impossible, obviously. It's so bizarre. I don't think I've ever seen lesbians acting like that towards straight women. At most, I've seen them take a dislike towards bi women because they always get let down when they inevitably end up wanting to be with a man again. It's odd how the different sexualities have their own little quirks and problematic tendencies. 1 minute ago, JeremiJello said: I'm a straight male. Well, hello there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VenusUrania 675 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 2 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said: I get the amazement at straight men being there but why does the fact that she has lots of female fans surprise you? It's something that's genuinely baffled me. Gaga's a woman and she sings songs that sometimes refer to being a woman and talks about issues that affect women (being overlooked in the music industry, being abused, the #TimesUp movement), so we see ourselves in her. To be honest, I'd be concerned if a female artist didn't have lots of female fans. Your own kind should always be your most natural fans. If only she could attract even more females, she'd be unstoppable. I sometimes feel like some gay men think they own femininity and female expression/identity, ironically. I've had some arguments over it, actually. They get very possessive over what they think is theirs, something only they can understand. The fact of the matter is that femininity in all its forms is always different when it's expressed by an actual woman. We have a very different take on it as opposed to what gay men think it involves. I didn't mean to offend you if that's the case! The experience, which I had in my country, was that women and girls gravitated more to male singers (who are sometimes closeted gays) rather then female. I'm glad that Gaga has the most different and colorful fanbase there is. Be that women, men, trans, gay, straight, bi, tattoed, pierced, young, old etc. people. Her music reaches everyone and I just love that. I've only stated my experience so far, which needn't be the case in every situation hahahah Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jobro 1 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 6 hours ago, ryanripley said: Born This Way.mp3 You mean: 01 Born This Way.m4a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanripley 86,575 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, jobro said: You mean: 01 Born This Way.m4a YES! although born this way is no.2 https://goo.gl/xMgMvJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,536 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 3 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said: I'm a straight female and apart from GGD, I've always been used to seeing lots of female fans of hers. When I went to her shows in the past, there were tons of women. It was only when I was in Birmingham the other day that there seemed to be more men than usual. I think, just like most pop music in general, that it can appeal to gays because most of the genre's artists are straight females, meaning that they're singing about men, unlike the usually straight male genres like rock and rap. You're drawn to the music that most accurately represents your life or the life you'd like to have, after all. I think that's what it is more than anything like "gays just love dance music" or anything. Plenty of straight men like dance music, it just depends on who's singing it and the subject matter. If it's about loving yourself if you're LGBT and using phrases like "you go girl," etc, it won't appeal. For example, Paloma Faith's song, My Body, is totally aimed at the LGBT community with its disco/house sound but the lyrics are so clearly meant for women and LGBT, with accepting their bodies, that they don't need saved, celebrating what their mama gave them. The lyrics just aren't made for straight men. You can't blame them for not being attracted to this kinda stuff. Hit me up some time! I'm always looking for straight guys here! They're just as wild (I sound like such a slut now)! I get the amazement at straight men being there but why does the fact that she has lots of female fans surprise you? It's something that's genuinely baffled me. Gaga's a woman and she sings songs that sometimes refer to being a woman and talks about issues that affect women (being overlooked in the music industry, being abused, the #TimesUp movement), so we see ourselves in her. To be honest, I'd be concerned if a female artist didn't have lots of female fans. Your own kind should always be your most natural fans. If only she could attract even more females, she'd be unstoppable. I sometimes feel like some gay men think they own femininity and female expression/identity, ironically. I've had some arguments over it, actually. They get very possessive over what they think is theirs, something only they can understand. The fact of the matter is that femininity in all its forms is always different when it's expressed by an actual woman. We have a very different take on it as opposed to what gay men think it involves. Your post really touched me, that was beautiful. I'm in exactly the same boat as you. I see so much of myself in Gaga and she's inspired me to be more forthright with my opinions and not to take any s**t. Her speeches involving stuff like "everyone told me I couldn't sing, dance, write well enough and I'd never achieve anything" and "surprise, pop music and the bitch can sing" really spoke to me. I feel she's really stood up for the troubles that women go through in life and how we're always put down, stereotyped and never seen as good as men. And I always get emotional when she cries as well but still looks so strong. The only reason I didn't well up during her speech during TEOG is because I was wearing mascara! I'm actually a little bi-curious but men are the ones I ultimately want to be with and whom I experience the strongest feelings for, so I just think of myself as straight. I didn't know you were bi, I'm sure you claimed to be gay several times. Did you re-assess your feelings recently? That would be a very understandable theory, especially considering how many reserved gays there are out there. I know that for years, I was assumed to be lesbian at school and I don't know why and I can only assume that it's because I was so quiet. My only reasoning for this conclusion is: "They're being quiet and won't speak about who they like because if they were open, everyone would know that they're secretly not straight." I'd always assume asexuality first and foremost in that case, but the rest of the world doesn't seem to. I think that there's also an assumption that a grown man who lives with his parents is also gay (and closeted) because if he's still with his family, it must be because he can't stand to come out to them and/or his parents don't approve of his sexuality and don't encourage him to date and he can't bring them home. Now, I'm a grown woman who's been living with her parents her whole life but luckily, this stereotype isn't put onto me as the gender socialisation is different. The idea is that I'm just a bit reserved and am waiting for the right man to come along and put me over his proverbial shoulder. Which is actually the honest truth, so it doesn't bother me. The only thing that does bother me is the assumption that I'm innocent because of this, my family think I need protecting from men, that I'm still "so young and don't know the ways of the world." Well, part of the reason why I've had no experiences is because this is the attitude that's taken! It's way I'm taking steps to hopefully get some level of experience without my family finding out because they're in all my business and seem to think they have a right to. I don't know any other 28 year old who gets a grilling like I do about who I'm seeing and why and the idea of meeting any boys at all makes my mum fall silent. At this age, if anything, I thought my family would be telling me: "Girl, go get some!" I mean, don't they remember being in their 20's and wanting to date and have sex? Don't they think I need that and should be given the chance of it? Don't I deserve happiness? I'm telling you, if they knew the stuff I discussed with men online and the way I talked to them, they'd be shocked. I've always been bi. But in the past it wasn't as balanced. I'd say my inclination for men was stronger than women so instead of calling myself "predominantly homosexual" I'd just say I was gay However it's kinda 50-50 now plus every since I got in a serious relationship with a woman I haven't played attention to men as much as before I didn't reassess it's just a little shift. A lot of my preferences and likes and dislikes have evolved over past 20 years (yes Im 24 turning 25 and first felt attraction at 5 years old and accidently discovered jacking off at 6 years old ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkTheFunk 124,406 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Gay men are drawn to strong female figures because they subconsciously want to be them. We want to feel powerful and express ourselves and be unapologetically camp and wear crazy clothes and be surrounded by muscle men in leather underwear and command male attention. These are things most of us can't do in our real lives because of societal norms, so we live vicariously through women who can. It's the same reason why gays flock to Madonna, Britney Spears, Katy Perry, Beyonce, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhiannon74 34 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 2 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said: Your post really touched me, that was beautiful. I'm in exactly the same boat as you. I see so much of myself in Gaga and she's inspired me to be more forthright with my opinions and not to take any s**t. Her speeches involving stuff like "everyone told me I couldn't sing, dance, write well enough and I'd never achieve anything" and "surprise, pop music and the bitch can sing" really spoke to me. I feel she's really stood up for the troubles that women go through in life and how we're always put down, stereotyped and never seen as good as men. And I always get emotional when she cries as well but still looks so strong. The only reason I didn't well up during her speech during TEOG is because I was wearing mascara! 3 I'm really drawn to strong women in general, but the thing is I guess people have different definitions of strong. I personally find someone to be strong if they stand up for themselves and others, but in an empathetic and intelligent way. I can name a bunch of other artists and public figures in general that are similar in that way like Gaga. However, few of them that I know of have managed to basically build up an army of people that in a way work together to make the world a better place. I think Gaga achieved that, which is so shocking to me when I see some extremely impatient Little Monsters on this site. I consider myself impulsive from time to time, so I get the frustrations... In fact, sometimes I think I'm doing everyone a favor by not posting everything that is on my mind. I strongly encourage everyone else to filter things out first before posting. That was maybe a bit off topic, but I'm a spontaneous person so... Btw happy I moved you with my post. I've been having a rough time lately because I broke up with my bf and you being kind enough to reply and open up yourself reminded me once again that not everything is dark in this world. Reminded me why Little Monsters and Gaga are always there for me even when someone that knows me better, or at least should, does not want to be. Love you all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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