scallywally 626 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Oh dear im even more confused. Isnt it easier to say enjoy the songs you like? None of it adds up and everybody has got a different explanation. Now shes her dead aunt with babies drinking pinot in a field? Did her aunt have babies and pinot wasnt popular back them. Let alone the hat to feel the opposite of what gaga is. Its all bollox. If you like some songs its cool. Sometimes gaga goes ahead of herself like saying the meat dress was about gay rights. Its all stupid, she wore it for attention. We know that she waffles too much when shes stoned. Do we think that she was in that bubble coffin for days??? NOOO were not stupid. Just enjoy the music. If people believe everything she comes out with is gospel you are likely to believe the earth is flat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELEMENTALITY 1,298 Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, giskardsb said: the songs on Joanne are about life, family, relationships, loneliness. All aspects of Gaga's world. You are intentionally looking at meanings at a superficial level just to try and prove your point. In the same way you are intentionally trying to narrow the focus of the album to being only about Joanne to try to prove your own point, but the album doesn't have that narrow of a focus. Gaga wasn't making a concept album targeted only at her aunt. Of course 90% of pop albums don't have any overriding concept at all in the first place. which is what my actual point was...and why 90% of pop albums usually aren't considered fantastic or legendary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Of Venus 731 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 hour ago, ryanripley said: some of the songs you listed as being unrelated to her aunt can be linked by theorising they've been written through the eyes of Joanne she was a living human being with her own thoughts, feelings, emotions and experiences that were expressed through songs like DH, DIC, MR etc it can be about Joanne as a person and Joanne in relation to Gaga Sorry but this is reaching for the stars. Writing DIC through the eyes of her dead aunt? WTF did I just read? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Of Venus 731 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 She blew the whole "dead aunt" concept way out of proportion. The album should just be promoted as an introspective album and her middle name is a bridge between Stefani and Gaga etc. She could simply just explain the origin of her middle name in one of her interviews and that would've been enough. There is no need to literally dig up Joanne's grave and share to the world for 1.5 years, and her recent "Joanne" posts are just getting way out of hand. Geez please bring on the next era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanripley 86,575 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Edge Of Venus said: Sorry but this is reaching for the stars. Writing DIC through the eyes of her dead aunt? WTF did I just read? women masturbate, it's not a reach https://goo.gl/xMgMvJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumours 45,521 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 hour ago, ELEMENTALITY said: Maybe or maybe not. Again...why do we still care what the general public thinks anymore. Do you want a genuine record? Like....if Gaga ever puts out a genuine record then there are gonna be things on it that she says that probably make even some of us uncomfortable. No one is perfect. I see where you’re coming from. While I certainly love authenticity, there’s a fine line between being petty (specifically referring to your comment about wishing she addressed Madonna on her album) and being constructive in subject matter. The reason why I mention Reputation is that it oftentimes well towards the wrong side of that balance, and I don’t want to listen to a record from Lady Gaga like that. And while we can claim the GP doesn’t matter, I’d say history has shown that the general populace matters a lot to Gaga. For example, The GP backlash during the ARTPOP era put her in a real depression, one where she no longer wanted to make music. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallywally 626 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 26 minutes ago, ryanripley said: women masturbate, it's not a reach Thinking about your dead aunt masturbating is a bit of a reach though lol. Not saying you meant that or gaga meant that just some other peoples posts are a bit crazy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebit 6,240 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 How you're describing what you wanted for Joanne sounds more like a straight up concept album IMO. I don't think Joanne was meant to be that? It has as much to do with exploring a overall vibe as it does being autobiographical to her. Gaga had never put out something so plain language before, and I feel like this was a vehicle that helped her explore that and evolve her songwriting into something that isn't so....everything-but-the-kitchen-sink-ish (ear condoms, garden panties, etc.) The one thing I can agree on it is that it could have done without Angel Down (though I respect its message and don't hate it or anything). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
just another gay 836 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 To me, Joanne the album is about how to live in the moment and most of all, to see the lights in the darkest time. The title track Joanne is sad but there is a light and sweet tone to it. MR is seeing the one reason to keep going even when everything else is against it. Other songs are about mad love, heartbreaks, friendships, peace. And the album wrapped up with the lighthearted and happy song JAD is so perfect because no matter what up and downs, we still have to keep our heads up and live on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackthorns 487 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Is it crazy that I don't think her "obsession" with her dead aunt is weird? I don't know if you guys have had that kind of experience, but growing up my dead uncle was CONSTANTLY mentioned in stories and I kind of get where she's coming from. Hell, I was almost named after him, and it made it on a list of potential middle names. The grief affects you even though you never knew them, even moreso when they die young and unfairly. That being said I do think its more of an album about her, but as a tribute to Joanne. From what we know of Joanne, Gaga IS somewhat similar-so in doing introspection and, honestly, overthinking things, its not a stretch for her to have made Joanne as a "these are my experiences and this is what I've gone through, but its also for Joanne and in honor of what she never got to do" if that makes sense? Like her way of paying respect to Joanne was to "donate" her experiences to her. So kinda similar to what @ryanripley said but more on the introspection side If you need me, you know where to find me: seeking validation and self-love in my dumpster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHTCRAWLER 6,985 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 The album is not all about Joanne. Think about PI and MR. PI is about her feeling lonely in this industry, about her fans etc. Million Reasons is about looking for one good reason to stay: love. And this is not related to Joanne. DIC neither and JW neither I guess. The album was not meant to be a biography of Joanne. She wanted to honor her making an album with her name. The album is more about her, this is really music not the bling. I'm sad that you did not like this era and I don't understand why you wrote that long text about it cause it's finished anyway and we can't change it. Moreover I think it's a bit disrespectful for Gaga who has been working so hard, respect her work. At least, Joanne is what Gaga wanted for the album and that obviously helped her in many ways, that's what is important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatfoxyfeeling 13,017 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Tbh I never fully understood the concept of doing an album on her auntie who died before she was born. I got the impresssion from her nan in the documentary that she was making a bigger deal about Joanne’s death etc. but it’s still a good album and was the right direction to take after ARTPOP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie 2,518 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 9 hours ago, Edge Of Venus said: She blew the whole "dead aunt" concept way out of proportion. The album should just be promoted as an introspective album and her middle name is a bridge between Stefani and Gaga etc. She could simply just explain the origin of her middle name in one of her interviews and that would've been enough. There is no need to literally dig up Joanne's grave and share to the world for 1.5 years, and her recent "Joanne" posts are just getting way out of hand. Geez please bring on the next era. This was the one thing that made me cringe during the whole era. It was weird for me that she mentioned her dead aunt in every interview and even in the Grammys performance And for anyone saying I hate Joanne, I'm gonna fight you mo**er f**kers because Joanne it's my favorite Gaga album and I've been defending it from little bottomers whiners this whole f*cking era What if tomorrow I see you again? Should I say that I used to love you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordinarynam1310 2,453 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 I mean, because of us fans, she wants the album to have a pop spins on it. Plus, she might want it to have a moderate commercial success. With collaborators like Father John Misty, Beck, and Mark Ronson, the original materials they created must have been too indie or too folk-ish, that's why she brought BloodPop to make it more Pop. But like you said Joanne could've been better, and could live up to her concept overall if she ditched the pop sound, but if she did that, it would've been the biggest meltdown in GGD history Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bio 23,538 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Girl, Joanne is also her name. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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