lego 44,165 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: Just look at the evidence and come to a decision regardless of your political affiliation You just somehow always believe the right wing media and base your views on that. Or you already have those views and conservative media confirms your fears. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 47 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: So, you think one ignorant, sheltered French woman speaks for the whole of France? And where exactly did I say that? 49 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: There's something really wrong with your brain when you hear stories of abuse and your first thought is to prove that they're faked You should really keep these personal insults to yourself, they’re often lost in your long essays, but I’m not gonna allow this disrespect. Where did I say stories of abuse are faked? Again putting words to my mouth, things I never said. I think you didn’t even read the links I provided, this is why your comment doesn’t make any sense. Go back and read, the other link is Swedish source. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 106,068 Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 37 minutes ago, lego said: You should really keep these personal insults to yourself, they’re often lost in your long essays, but I’m not gonna allow this disrespect. Where did I say stories of abuse are faked? Again putting words to my mouth, things I never said. I think you didn’t even read the links I provided, this is why your comment doesn’t make any sense. Go back and read, the other link is Swedish source. You snapped! The disrespect is too much. I am tired of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,865 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 27 minutes ago, lego said: WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE??? I have extended family living there in different cities, I’ve visited many times throughout the years, even the so called problematic suburbs. I’ve never felt unsafe. As a white woman. Stop projecting your fear of immigrants on others and repeating Trumpist propaganda. Where is your proof that rape crimes were never a big problem until now? Where is your proof that Swedish police divides rape crimes based on race, ethnicity and immigration status of a criminal? What does “by migrants” even mean? So many “non white” or “non native”, are considered Swedes, 2nd, 3rd generations, from mixed marriages etc... so they’re not “migrants”, they’re Swedish, but if they commit a crime you’d put them to “migrant category” with “problematic culture”. That’s just racism, sorry. You’re ignoring the crimes committed by white natives and white European immigrants so you can demonize brown and black people. This is why you’re trying so hard to justify you’re against LEGAL immigration from “certain countries”. I respect your family's opinions and experiences, however, remember that some people living in the same city can have remarkably different experiences from others depending on exactly where they're situated, if they go to school/work in the area, if they stay very close to home or travel. You yourself know that right wingers and left wingers speak very differently on the migrant crisis and that certain people in the UK will claim there is no problem with migrants and others will claim it's a big problem. So, who's correct? Is there even a right and wrong? Is it just all down to personal experience? I don't repeat "Trumpist propaganda." I don't like Trump. I knew about the problems in Sweden long before he ever said his "look what's happening in Sweden" comment. Here is some videos and an article seeing as you want the evidence so badly. Please disregard the affiliation of the sources. Bear in mind I do not support these people as individuals, some of them I don't like at all and some of them I don't even know all about. I'm merely reacting to the evidence they provide. As I said, truth is truth, no matter who it comes from. I actually hate Paul Joseph Watson. But occasionally, he drops a video like this that exposes the complete truth and leaves your mouth hanging open. Some of this footage sends chills down my spine, especially that footage from 11:34-11:42. I remember seeing the scenes the next day after that rampage. This video is where I got lots of my original information from earlier. I don't like the guy, but you can't deny the evidence he's presenting: This was were I got that story about the 900-populated Swedish town: Here's the Wikipedia entry for Rinkeby, pay particular attention to "Demographics" and "Social Unrest": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rinkeby And here's 2 articles from Katie Hopkins when she visited Rinkeby and spoke to its women, police and fire service. It's a two-parter. Again, can't stand her, but the stories she's reporting back are absolutely shocking and should not be dismissed: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4269576/KATIE-HOPKINS-reports-Scandi-lib-paradise-Sweden.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4276942/Swedish-town-migrants-laugh-laws-despise.html By "migrant," I mean "not born in the country we're talking about." I separate terms like "migrants" and "refugees" accordingly as well. I'm not putting non-white Swedes into the same category, much as you'd like to think I am. The problems aren't springing up concerning black Swedes or Asian Swedes who have been born there or lived there for years but rather those who have moved there recently for whatever reason who can't deal with the culture shock, don't want to integrate and have criminal motives to cause unrest. I am not ignoring the crimes committed by white natives, just pointing out that they aren't committing them as bad as non-natives. You are the one who is ignoring the crimes committed by non-natives. I never said I was against legal immigration. I just don't want it to get out of control to the point where the country's resources are overstretched, that its applicants are thoroughly vetted and encouraged to learn the language and integrate. 19 minutes ago, lego said: You just somehow always believe the right wing media and base your views on that. Or you already have those views and conservative media confirms your fears. I don't "always" believe the right wing media. I used to be a very hard-line liberal who laughed in the face of conservatives. But lately, being a liberal means something very different from what it used to. They ironically remind of the 90's conservatives who wanted to introduce censorship and limit free speech (nowadays, it's conservatives rallying for anti censorship and free speech). They twist facts to suit an agenda. They won't even check out a source that goes against what they believe. They actively dismiss claims made by someone who ticks the boxes of being privileged. This is not the liberalism I signed up for. We're supposed to be about hunting down the truth, no matter how tough it is to take, not setting up safe spaces and banning certain people from speaking and denying evidence right under your nose. We used to be all about facing up to conservatives, now we're too scared to debate with them when they invite us to, for fear our beliefs will be challenged and what we thought was real is shattered (someone who has true conviction in their beliefs doesn't need to do that). I'm more of a centrist liberal now, with a mixture of views, but still mostly liberal. But I'm definitely not your average liberal. 10 minutes ago, lego said: And where exactly did I say that? You should really keep these personal insults to yourself, they’re often lost in your long essays, but I’m not gonna allow this disrespect. Where did I say stories of abuse are faked? Again putting words to my mouth, things I never said. I think you didn’t even read the links I provided, this is why your comment doesn’t make any sense. Go back and read, the other link is Swedish source. You didn't say it but you implied it. Just as you accuse me of implying stuff all the time. You just submitted that video and didn't even offer any comment on it. That left me with only one conclusion: you think one ignorant white person is a sign of a massive problem within white culture. You are suggesting that all French people think like this woman. You'd go nuts on me if I posted a clip of an ignorant Muslim with no comment. Something tells me you'd claim to know exactly what I intended by that. Let's not play double standards here. One ignorant white woman offends you but footage of gangs of Asian and black refugees attacking police cars, rioting in the streets and playing "the rape game" on women is considered a very rare thing, nothing to be worried about? One white person being ignorant = huge problem, hundreds of non-whites being destructive = not a problem? Eh? I didn't intend my comment to get lost, I wanted you to see it. It may be disrespectful but someone needs to challenge your way of thinking. If you are claiming that the rape stats in Sweden aren't as high as claimed, that means you think that some of these victims are lying. It's not rocket science. When white people commit crime, you never defend them and look for a re-interpretation of the stats. When non-whites commit crime, you bend over backwards to find some way, any way, to dismiss and undermine the severity of what they've done and even claim that stats aren't what they seem. Me? I just believe crime stats, no matter what race they involve. If whites are committing the most crime, I just accept it, just like you. And as I don't believe in double standards, I do the same for all races. I don't defend and make excuses for criminals, end of. I certainly don't reinterpret crime stats to suit an agenda. Crime stats are what they are. You, however, can't deal with any negative stats involving non-whites but take on a bizarre gleefulness when it's about whites. I'm just neutral. I did read both your sources, you are the one accusing me of things I haven't done. You have the unfortunate tendency to subscribe to the "if someone doesn't agree with me, it's because they can't have understood me" notion. I can confirm the sources don't line up with the stats, there's a clear disparity and the biased liberal agenda is clear throughout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Most refugees are not refugees. But corrupt government offials who fear for their lives (and wealth) because of democratic uprisings in their country. They are the 1% of their country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 106,068 Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 I cannot believe Katie Hopkins garbage is being posted on GGD. I’ve seen it all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 9 hours ago, Morphine Prince said: I cannot believe Katie Hopkins garbage is being posted on GGD. I’ve seen it all. I know right? And Paul Joseph Watson, British version of Alex Jones. He’s working for infowars too. What’s the point of saying I hate these people, but I’ll eat up everything they say and I’ll use their garbage as evidence “you can’t deny”.... the woman who called refugees cockroaches and called for gun boats to shoot them is used as neutral source... 10 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said: I didn't intend my comment to get lost, I wanted you to see it. It may be disrespectful but someone needs to challenge your way of thinking. If you are claiming that the rape stats in Sweden aren't as high as claimed, that means you think that some of these victims are lying. It's not rocket science. It’s nice to know you can’t debate without throwing personal insults. That says a lot and it doesn’t challenge my way of thinking at all, it just shows you can’t debate. I won’t go to that level. And it seems to be rocket science for some, because the links I provided explain very well why stats are high and how high, not that most victims are lying. Again ignoring the evidence and just repeating same old. I’m not implying anything, I’ll say straight if that’s what I meant. I’m done after your “alt-right” sources. Have fun with Katie and Paul. ———— again... Have there been more sexual offences in Sweden? "Sexual offences" is a very broad term, which refers to a range of all sex-related crimes in Sweden. Rape is one of the sexual offences, but other crimes such as paying for sex, sexual harassment, indecent exposure, sexual exploitation, molestation and trafficking are included in the numbers as well. The figures peaked in 2014. The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Bra) says this rise is due to the changes to the legislation in 2013, which made it tougher. Similar increases in the number of reported cases were seen in 2006, after new sex offence legislation came into force in April 2005. Since then, Sweden has recorded every reported case of sexual violence separately. That means, as Susanne Lekengard from Bra explains, that if a person comes to the police and reports being raped by a partner or husband every day for the past year, the police will record each of these events. In many other countries these incidents would be recorded just once: one victim, one type of crime and one record. Also, paying for sex became one of the crimes counted in the statistics. During 2015, the year in which Sweden took the largest number of asylum seekers, the number of reported sex crimes and rapes actually decreased by 11% and 12% respectively compared with 2014 - 18,100 sex offences were reported to the police, of which 5,920 were classified as rape. Preliminary figures for 2016 show a rise, bringing the latest figures close to 2014 values. Susanne Lekengard says the rise of the number of sexual molestation cases in 2016 is due to a higher number of reported cases of sexual harassment amongst teenagers at summer music festivals. Sweden does not publish the ethnicity or national background of perpetrators of any crime, including sexual offences. What about rape in Malmo? According to Bra, the number of reported rape cases in proportion to the population in the municipality of Malmo has not seen a sharp increase since the biggest group of refugees arrived. Reported rapes per 100,000 inhabitants peaked in 2008, 2010 and 2011, and the figures were higher for those pre-refugee influx years than in 2015 and 2016. In addition, the reported rape figures were not higher in the Malmo municipality, compared with two other major urban municipalities in Sweden: the capital Stockholm and Gothenburg in the west. What about an international comparison? It is very hard to compare sex-related offences and rape across the world. Police procedures and legal definitions vary widely around the world, making an international comparison meaningless. The 2012 UN international rape rate comparison showed Sweden to have the highest rate of rape in Europe and the second highest in the world, but the report did not contain data for a total of 63 countries that did not submit any statistics, including, for example, South Africa, where other earlier surveys indicated a very high rape rate. The most recent Eurostat data for the 28 EU countries also puts Sweden in the top spot. But the agency warns that comparisons between different countries should be avoided because of differences between their legal and criminal justice systems, recording practices, reporting rates, efficiencies of criminal justice organisations and types of offences included in the categories. There has also been a public debate in Sweden over the past two decades to raise awareness and encourage women to go to the police if they have been attacked. This has resulted in a higher report rate than in other countries in Europe. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39056786 —— Another example of hoax or fake news https://www.snopes.com/swedish-girl-refugee-assault-meme/ —— Facts from Swedish government debunking sensationalist claims: http://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migration-and-crime-in-sweden/ Facts: Data from the Swedish Crime Survey shows that in terms of lethal violence, there has generally been a downward trend over the past 25 years Claim: "Integration does not work as well in Sweden as in other countries" Facts: There are a number of ways to measure integration, one of which is to study the integration of those born abroad in the labour market. In Sweden, 68 per cent of people born abroad aged 20–64 are in employment, compared with an EU average of 66 per cent. The corresponding figure for people born in Sweden is 85 per cent, compared with an EU average of 72 per cent (Eurostat, 2016). Sweden comes out on top of the Migrant Integration Policy Index (MIPEX), which compares integration policy in 38 countries. The index consists of 167 indicators in eight policy areas: labour market mobility, education, political participation, family reunion, access to nationality, health, long-term residence and anti-discrimination. Sweden scores particularly highly on labour market aspects and the rights and measures to which migrants have access. The latest MIPEX survey was conducted in 2014. In the last few years, the Government has implemented reforms and provided additional funds with a view to improving new arrivals' integration in working and community life. This includes fast tracks into the labour market for new arrivals with experience in shortage occupations, an education and training obligation for new arrivals deemed in need of such measures to find a job, and a new regulatory framework clarifying what is required of the individual. Claim: "The high level of immigration means that the system in Sweden is on the verge of collapse." Facts: No. The Swedish economy is strong. Sweden recorded a public finance surplus in 2015, and the forecasts indicate that the surplus is set to grow until 2020. Moreover, Sweden has had one of the highest rates of growth in Europe over the last two years. Youth unemployment has declined considerably and is now at its lowest level for 13 years, and long-term unemployment (12 months or longer) is the lowest in the EU. ... Claim: "Refugees are behind the increase in crime, but the authorities are covering it up." Facts: According to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention's Swedish Crime Survey, some 13 per cent of the population were the victim of an offence against them personally in 2015. This is an increase on preceding years, although it is roughly the same level as in 2005. The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention has conducted two studies into the representation of people from foreign backgrounds among crime suspects, the most recent in 2005. The studies show that the majority of those suspected of crimes were born in Sweden to two Swedish-born parents. The studies also show that the vast majority of people from foreign backgrounds are not suspected of any crimes. In a later study, researchers at Stockholm University showed that the main difference in terms of criminal activity between immigrants and others in the population was due to differences in the socioeconomic conditions in which they grew up in Sweden. This means factors such as parents' incomes, and the social circumstances in the area in which an individual grew up. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 More on this topic, if you google his name now “PAUL JOSEPH WATSON VIDEO: THE TRUTH ABOUT 'SH*THOLE COUNTRIES' Why Trump is right.” Enough said. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Z 108 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Y'all do know there's video going around of Jay-Z hitting and pushing a female fan on video... Right Idk why people take his opinions into account, I wouldn't como estas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,865 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 17 hours ago, Lord Temptation said: Most refugees are not refugees. But corrupt government offials who fear for their lives (and wealth) because of democratic uprisings in their country. They are the 1% of their country. I don't know about "most." But there is unquestionably a large amount who aren't. But yes, I think world leaders are just afraid of a backlash if they don't let them in. Germany's trying to atone for past Nazi sins by allowing mass migration. We've seen how terrorist groups have targeted European countries in the past (particularly the UK) because of our involvement in the Iraq war, the voting of Brexit, etc. The message is "don't anger outsiders, or they'll retaliate." So, we've got to the point where we're living in fear of such people and letting them do whatever they want in exchange for, hopefully, a peaceful life. But unfortunately, some have taken this as a sign of weakness. So, they'll want to come here because they know they can walk all over us and they can break the law and can't get deported because that would be racist. I don't like to see a country's kindness get taken advantage of. 17 hours ago, Morphine Prince said: I cannot believe Katie Hopkins garbage is being posted on GGD. I’ve seen it all. Did you miss the part where I said I didn't actually like her as a person? It's possible to dislike someone but agree with them on some things (even if you don't like the way they put it down). Humans are complex like that. I'd argue that it's impossible to find someone who you can agree/disagree with 100% on everything. 9 hours ago, lego said: I know right? And Paul Joseph Watson, British version of Alex Jones. He’s working for infowars too. What’s the point of saying I hate these people, but I’ll eat up everything they say and I’ll use their garbage as evidence “you can’t deny”.... the woman who called refugees cockroaches and called for gun boats to shoot them is used as neutral source... It’s nice to know you can’t debate without throwing personal insults. That says a lot and it doesn’t challenge my way of thinking at all, it just shows you can’t debate. I won’t go to that level. And it seems to be rocket science for some, because the links I provided explain very well why stats are high and how high, not that most victims are lying. Again ignoring the evidence and just repeating same old. I’m not implying anything, I’ll say straight if that’s what I meant. I’m done after your “alt-right” sources. Have fun with Katie and Paul. ———— again... Have there been more sexual offences in Sweden? "Sexual offences" is a very broad term, which refers to a range of all sex-related crimes in Sweden. Rape is one of the sexual offences, but other crimes such as paying for sex, sexual harassment, indecent exposure, sexual exploitation, molestation and trafficking are included in the numbers as well. The figures peaked in 2014. The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Bra) says this rise is due to the changes to the legislation in 2013, which made it tougher. Similar increases in the number of reported cases were seen in 2006, after new sex offence legislation came into force in April 2005. Since then, Sweden has recorded every reported case of sexual violence separately. That means, as Susanne Lekengard from Bra explains, that if a person comes to the police and reports being raped by a partner or husband every day for the past year, the police will record each of these events. In many other countries these incidents would be recorded just once: one victim, one type of crime and one record. Also, paying for sex became one of the crimes counted in the statistics. During 2015, the year in which Sweden took the largest number of asylum seekers, the number of reported sex crimes and rapes actually decreased by 11% and 12% respectively compared with 2014 - 18,100 sex offences were reported to the police, of which 5,920 were classified as rape. Preliminary figures for 2016 show a rise, bringing the latest figures close to 2014 values. Susanne Lekengard says the rise of the number of sexual molestation cases in 2016 is due to a higher number of reported cases of sexual harassment amongst teenagers at summer music festivals. Sweden does not publish the ethnicity or national background of perpetrators of any crime, including sexual offences. What about rape in Malmo? According to Bra, the number of reported rape cases in proportion to the population in the municipality of Malmo has not seen a sharp increase since the biggest group of refugees arrived. Reported rapes per 100,000 inhabitants peaked in 2008, 2010 and 2011, and the figures were higher for those pre-refugee influx years than in 2015 and 2016. In addition, the reported rape figures were not higher in the Malmo municipality, compared with two other major urban municipalities in Sweden: the capital Stockholm and Gothenburg in the west. What about an international comparison? It is very hard to compare sex-related offences and rape across the world. Police procedures and legal definitions vary widely around the world, making an international comparison meaningless. The 2012 UN international rape rate comparison showed Sweden to have the highest rate of rape in Europe and the second highest in the world, but the report did not contain data for a total of 63 countries that did not submit any statistics, including, for example, South Africa, where other earlier surveys indicated a very high rape rate. The most recent Eurostat data for the 28 EU countries also puts Sweden in the top spot. But the agency warns that comparisons between different countries should be avoided because of differences between their legal and criminal justice systems, recording practices, reporting rates, efficiencies of criminal justice organisations and types of offences included in the categories. There has also been a public debate in Sweden over the past two decades to raise awareness and encourage women to go to the police if they have been attacked. This has resulted in a higher report rate than in other countries in Europe. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39056786 —— Another example of hoax or fake news https://www.snopes.com/swedish-girl-refugee-assault-meme/ —— Facts from Swedish government debunking sensationalist claims: http://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migration-and-crime-in-sweden/ Facts: Data from the Swedish Crime Survey shows that in terms of lethal violence, there has generally been a downward trend over the past 25 years Claim: "Integration does not work as well in Sweden as in other countries" Facts: There are a number of ways to measure integration, one of which is to study the integration of those born abroad in the labour market. In Sweden, 68 per cent of people born abroad aged 20–64 are in employment, compared with an EU average of 66 per cent. The corresponding figure for people born in Sweden is 85 per cent, compared with an EU average of 72 per cent (Eurostat, 2016). Sweden comes out on top of the Migrant Integration Policy Index (MIPEX), which compares integration policy in 38 countries. The index consists of 167 indicators in eight policy areas: labour market mobility, education, political participation, family reunion, access to nationality, health, long-term residence and anti-discrimination. Sweden scores particularly highly on labour market aspects and the rights and measures to which migrants have access. The latest MIPEX survey was conducted in 2014. In the last few years, the Government has implemented reforms and provided additional funds with a view to improving new arrivals' integration in working and community life. This includes fast tracks into the labour market for new arrivals with experience in shortage occupations, an education and training obligation for new arrivals deemed in need of such measures to find a job, and a new regulatory framework clarifying what is required of the individual. Claim: "The high level of immigration means that the system in Sweden is on the verge of collapse." Facts: No. The Swedish economy is strong. Sweden recorded a public finance surplus in 2015, and the forecasts indicate that the surplus is set to grow until 2020. Moreover, Sweden has had one of the highest rates of growth in Europe over the last two years. Youth unemployment has declined considerably and is now at its lowest level for 13 years, and long-term unemployment (12 months or longer) is the lowest in the EU. ... Claim: "Refugees are behind the increase in crime, but the authorities are covering it up." Facts: According to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention's Swedish Crime Survey, some 13 per cent of the population were the victim of an offence against them personally in 2015. This is an increase on preceding years, although it is roughly the same level as in 2005. The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention has conducted two studies into the representation of people from foreign backgrounds among crime suspects, the most recent in 2005. The studies show that the majority of those suspected of crimes were born in Sweden to two Swedish-born parents. The studies also show that the vast majority of people from foreign backgrounds are not suspected of any crimes. In a later study, researchers at Stockholm University showed that the main difference in terms of criminal activity between immigrants and others in the population was due to differences in the socioeconomic conditions in which they grew up in Sweden. This means factors such as parents' incomes, and the social circumstances in the area in which an individual grew up. I know that Paul is a very disrespectful person (I swear he puts on that irritating, obnoxious voice) and I certainly don't endorse infowars either. I never said I eat up everything these people say. Again, you're putting words into my mouth and assuming. I said that I never usually agree with what he puts out, but occasionally, he'll drop a video consisting of nothing but truth, it's just that the way he puts it down leaves much to be desired. Are you talking about the woman in the second video? I don't even know who she is and I'm not concerned. I'm focused on the stories of the people she's talking about. When I'm saying there's evidence that you can't deny, I'm talking about visual evidence. Paul provided footage of loads of migrants being transported safely, maritime maps showing them working like a taxi service, migrant gangs running through cities causing chaos. He also provided articles that pointed to the issue of people smugglers and ISIS offering them the chance of easy entry into Europe if they join. How can you argue with what's in front of you? Here's a longer version of the segment he posted of the French women being disallowed to enter a Muslim owned cafe and what the local women have done in response. The video has been reported on by liberal media as well, I might add: When you've heard what these men are saying, that they don't want gender mixing and that in the suburbs, they live life like in their home countries...doesn't this shock you as a woman? It enrages me. How those women had the strength to be calm and walk away is certainly remarkable. What level? It's hardly the worst personal insults I'm throwing. I don't shout at you, swear at you or call you names (the worst I ever said was that I didn't give a f**k but that wasn't directed at you specifically), that goes against my personal principles. Put it in perspective and stop exaggerating. You've said far worse things to me and I haven't said you're incapable of debate. Though, perhaps, your sensitivity gives you a disadvantage. I read your stats and I can still answer them. I don't care that the definition of rape is broader nor that the same woman reporting multiple cases of the same crime is treated as a separate report. Every sex crime is shocking and unacceptable and every time a woman endures said crime deserves to be treated as a separate case. Ideally, perhaps, under these definition, perhaps it would be wise to instead say "100,000 women are raped here every year," you could say, "100,000 instances of rape happen here every year," or to be more precise, "100,000 sex crimes happen here every year." Why is it wrong of me to treat every sex crime as appalling? Why is it wrong for every report to be recorded separately? If a woman gets hit by a man, groped by a different man and raped by a different man all in one week, one crime per man, it's only fitting that these crimes are reported as 3 separate instances as they involved 3 different perpetrators. These men could have picked different women, after all, meaning that the crime reporting could have been more spread out with 3 separate reports instead of 1. And I don't think that's fair. I think individual recordings make for a much more reliable, true reflection of the crime in the country. Just for a minute, understand that there's more than one way to look at and interpret something. 9 hours ago, lego said: More on this topic, if you google his name now “PAUL JOSEPH WATSON VIDEO: THE TRUTH ABOUT 'SH*THOLE COUNTRIES' Why Trump is right.” Enough said. I watched that video before and I didn't agree with it. As I said, I generally can't stand the guy and his alt-right stance, Trump support and disrespect is very off-putting. And sometimes, he slips up big. I'm just pointing to one video of truth. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALGAYDO 32,652 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Taylor Z said: Y'all do know there's video going around of Jay-Z hitting and pushing a female fan on video... Right Idk why people take his opinions into account, I wouldn't You’re absolutely kidding, right? So now we have to dismiss everyone anyone says if they had any wrong doing in the past? In that case, nobody should take ANYONE’S opinions into account for ANTHING since nobody is a saint. And this video of which you speak of has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this topic at hand. What are you even doing? Jesus Christ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 106,068 Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 27 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: What level? It's hardly the worst personal insults I'm throwing. I don't shout at you, swear at you or call you names (the worst I ever said was that I didn't give a f**k but that wasn't directed at you specifically), that goes against my personal principles. Put it in perspective and stop exaggerating. You've said far worse things to me and I haven't said you're incapable of debate. Though, perhaps, your sensitivity gives you a disadvantage. Making subtle jabs are often worse than saying "worse things" to someone imo. I hope these comments are dealt with accordingly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,865 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Morphine Prince said: Making subtle jabs are often worse than saying "worse things" to someone imo. I hope these comments are dealt with accordingly. You have to be kidding me. I'd take subtlety any day of the week over full-blown verbal abuse, as would most others. I've been accused of much worse by you and others and you don't see me acting like you need to be reported. So, apparently nasty digs are bad for me to say, ok for you to say? The entitled clique you have formed is immature and laughable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 106,068 Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 11 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: You have to be kidding me. I'd take subtlety any day of the week over full-blown verbal abuse, as would most others. I've been accused of much worse by you and others and you don't see me acting like you need to be reported. So, apparently nasty digs are bad for me to say, ok for you to say? The entitled clique you have formed is immature and laughable. I’d rather have someone say what they feel to me directly than continously spew condescending remarks at me. What clique? That I’ve “formed” ? Honestly what is your problem with me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Z 108 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 hours ago, ALGAYDO said: You’re absolutely kidding, right? So now we have to dismiss everyone anyone says if they had any wrong doing in the past? In that case, nobody should take ANYONE’S opinions into account for ANTHING since nobody is a saint. And this video of which you speak of has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this topic at hand. What are you even doing? Jesus Christ Didn't Jay Z say something about Trump's language? When there's video footage of Z putting his hands on a woman.. yeah, whatever suits your bias como estas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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