ALL Charts Discussion

[nick4bty 2,758]

2 minutes ago, dit said:

I'm not saying she absolutely NEEDs or has to have more commercial success. Like you mentioned if it happens that's great. However with her next era it is apparent that they might be aiming for more commercial success hence some quotes we got from the producers around her and the hints of the more pop leaning musical direction she may be going for with her next era. With that type of sound it is not criminal to suggest that she may be aiming for a more commercial sound. I do agree though that Joanne was not designed to be a smash era of sorts BUT what I am saying is that the streaming figures are a little troubling. Whether it is because of the musical directions/sound the album takes, Gaga's lack of supposed interest in commercial success or whatever reason it may be...it still does not negate the fact that streams are weak for a popstar and someone who is still so visible to the GPs consciousness. There is a lack of interest around her music at least from the streaming audience. Of course it is because of the sound but I'm not really exploring the "why"s...just looking at the state of things right now.

The name and brand "Lady Gaga" is now recognizable in the eyes of GP as legendary, iconic, talent, etc. Basically, her name is now above her music. That's why her touring is so strong and will always be so strong. People are there to see Lady Gaga the legendary iconic performer, more so than they are to hear her music.

True that she may be aiming for a more mainstream pop era with LG6 and/or ASIB soundtrack, and hopefully if the music is mainstream then her team and label will act accordingy in terms of promotion, playlisting, etc.

However, the performance of this song has no correlation to any of that. 

[LateToCult 39,674]

1 minute ago, nick4bty said:

If this was a lead single radio friendly pop song with a strong professional pop visual this would be getting a lot more views. 

It doesn't matter that no one cares.  It literally has no impact on her career

It does have impact tho. If he’s vying for longevity then she needs to be careful with what she puts out and how she puts it out. 

[TwerkinLurkin 4,764]

1 minute ago, nick4bty said:

If this was a lead single radio friendly pop song with a strong professional pop visual this would be getting a lot more views. 

It doesn't matter that no one cares.  It literally has no impact on her career

That has nothing to do with it though I know it's an a year old ballad and a 4th single but it should still be getting more than that it should of atleast gotten 3-4 by now tbh John Wayne which was a pip song with a good video released right after she did the superbowl also didn't do that well and to be honest the cures YouTube views in one day weren't that impressive either her team needs to work on what the problem with streaming is its not hee job to do that it's theirs and they need to fix it before it just keeps getting worse until no one's buying music anymore and gaga can't even enter the billboard top 80 because of her streaming 

[nick4bty 2,758]

4 minutes ago, LateToCult said:

Idk. I’m starting to think the Vegas residency will serve as the LG6 “Tour” so potentially there won’t be an actual world tour until 2020 or 2021. I guess we’re still too far away to know but I think I’ve gotten over expecting high commercial success.

I highly highly doubt it. Vegas is not a "tour." She is doing select dates spread out over two years. While it may be the case that she drags her Vegas show on tour like Britney, but if the next era is indeed mainstream pop, no doubt she'll be touring internationally in between Vegas dates. This can continue to be the case even if she extends her contract.

She's going to be in Vegas like 10% of the next two years. That's nothing.

[nick4bty 2,758]

3 minutes ago, LateToCult said:

It does have impact tho. If he’s vying for longevity then she needs to be careful with what she puts out and how she puts it out. 

This just isn't true. lol. Sorry. Maybe 30 years ago this was true, but not today, not in the streaming era.

[Arizona Sky 10,913]

I will say that Praying is an amazing song and Grammy worthy but we all know that if she wins, it'll be a sympathy vote. Sorry but I'm just stating the facts.

[nick4bty 2,758]

3 minutes ago, TwerkinLurkin said:

That has nothing to do with it though I know it's an a year old ballad and a 4th single but it should still be getting more than that it should of atleast gotten 3-4 by now tbh John Wayne which was a pip song with a good video released right after she did the superbowl also didn't do that well and to be honest the cures YouTube views in one day weren't that impressive either her team needs to work on what the problem with streaming is its not hee job to do that it's theirs and they need to fix it before it just keeps getting worse until no one's buying music anymore and gaga can't even enter the billboard top 80 because of her streaming 

But it was part of the Joanne era, and had no visibility or promotion of any kind, and was an Apple Music exclusive at first. 

It's just hard to tell during this era. Where YouTube is most popular in the world is not where Joanne resonated. If she can release a truly global song, her video will get lots of views. 

Y'all are putting way too much emphasis on this song/video

[nick4bty 2,758]

2 minutes ago, BloodyMonster said:

I will say that Praying is an amazing song and Grammy worthy but we all know that if she wins, it'll be a sympathy vote. Sorry but I'm just stating the facts.

I agree. Hardly deserved to be nominated. It's entire success has been based off of sympathy imo.

[dit 45,444]

3 minutes ago, nick4bty said:

The name and brand "Lady Gaga" is now recognizable in the eyes of GP as legendary, iconic, talent, etc. Basically, her name is now above her music. That's why her touring is so strong and will always be so strong. People are there to see Lady Gaga the legendary iconic performer, more so than they are to hear her music.

True that she may be aiming for a more mainstream pop era with LG6 and/or ASIB soundtrack, and hopefully if the music is mainstream then her team and label will act accordingy in terms of promotion, playlisting, etc.

However, the performance of this song has no correlation to any of that. 

Yes and I do not deny any of the great things you mentioned. I agree. GAGA the name pulls in attention and is much more respected to the GP in part thanks to the amazing album that is Joanne. All I was saying was that her streaming numbers are rather weak and if she is in fact leaning towards a more commercial sound, I hope her team focuses on streaming as that is a weak spot for her based on figures we got from the Joanne era as a whole (not just this song which I don't think anyone expected huge numbers from). Having a streak of super low streamed songs/mvs on YT and spotify and not having a proper streaming smash in many years does make things a little bit of an uphill battle. You cant tell me that someone like Gaga who has struggled with streaming for a while now wont have a harder time than ppl who have been having continuous / successive streaming hits. Of course not. It will be a little harder for her. Her selling power does make up for it right now but by the time LG6 comes and LG7 etc...sales will continue to be phased out and streams will only grow. I do not care all that much about commercial success since it does NOT effect my perspective of the quality of the music. In fact I ADORE Joanne. This is not the argument or the point of my comment though. I was simply stating what I mentioned above in this comment. Hope it clears things up and makes ppl understand the essential point of my previous comment.

[TwerkinLurkin 4,764]

9 minutes ago, nick4bty said:

But it was part of the Joanne era, and had no visibility or promotion of any kind, and was an Apple Music exclusive at first. 

It's just hard to tell during this era. Where YouTube is most popular in the world is not where Joanne resonated. If she can release a truly global song, her video will get lots of views. 

Y'all are putting way too much emphasis on this song/video

I honestly don't believe that the cure was one of the most main stream songs she's every done and it did well on iTunes and OKay on Spotify and literally did poorly on YouTube I don't know why you can't admit that she has a streaming problem 

A streaming problem and radio problem is literally what caused million reasons not going number one literally after the superbowl everyone was buying it didn't it do like 100k or so? If it had good streaming and radio play it would of went number one tbh 

They finally fixed her radio problem so far unless it happens again they gave them that coin and they started playing mr and they always were playing the cure they need to work and fix on streaming now

[Irrelevant 20,280]

Joanne (etc.) is no. 1 on Today's Top Hits on Chinese biggest streaming service QQ Music!  Say Something down to 4  Helium No. 6

Spoiler

This is good considering the chinese songs are also counted in this playlist 

 

[LateToCult 39,674]

19 minutes ago, nick4bty said:

This just isn't true. lol. Sorry. Maybe 30 years ago this was true, but not today, not in the streaming era.

When you have 0 streaming power in a streaming age, that’s when you have to get smart, not comfortable and sloppy like she did with the releases. PI was released way too early in the hopes of snagging a Grammy, and then she promoted it in Japan of all places, Ayo and Million Reasons clashed and the video for MR ended up being One of her worst, then she surprised released JW, which was a good music video, but made it an Apple exclusive before releasing it to the GP + she didn’t promote it at all. Joanne’s video wasn’t even promoted by her until halfway through the day. There’s a lot of work that needs to be done on her planning. She got lucky this era with the super bowl but she’s not gonna have that next era.

[FGGrayson 9,670]

5 hours ago, Gypsy Life said:

We're celebrating the 10k jumps meanwhile Shakira's video is casually jumping by 500k each update.

Sis, nobody can compete against this combo:  Shak + King Maluma + Brazilian and LA streamers

[FGGrayson 9,670]

Gagz needs another Alejandro to slay my mexican soul and LA so she can fix ha streaming power

[FGGrayson 9,670]

12 minutes ago, LateToCult said:

When you have 0 streaming power in a streaming age, that’s when you have to get smart, not comfortable and sloppy like she did with the releases. PI was released way too early in the hopes of snagging a Grammy, and then she promoted it in Japan of all places, Ayo and Million Reasons clashed and the video for MR ended up being One of her worst, then she surprised released JW, which was a good music video, but made it an Apple exclusive before releasing it to the GP + she didn’t promote it at all. Joanne’s video wasn’t even promoted by her until halfway through the day. There’s a lot of work that needs to be done on her planning. She got lucky this era with the super bowl but she’s not gonna have that next era.

the tea   drag ha