FRANK1991 3,329 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 lol they just made it worse that didn't do anything Cause once you let it go you better know it's gone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craven Moorecox 2,806 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 57 minutes ago, illbekind said: I disagree. Empathy isn’t characterised by the situation. If that were the case you could argue that if I was half white, half black I would be able to empathise with both sides of the argument. You could also argue that individually nobody else could ever understand what anyone ever goes through. To be honest I feel like a lot of the arguing around this debate especially that I have seen has to do with this. When people feel as if others don’t understand it builds an anger, anger results in acts of aggression and it’s this cycle that stops anyone from actually creating meaningful progress. For me, empathy is based on emotions. We are both human, and I am sure that regardless of skin colour, we have shared the same emotions before regarding issues like this. This is what allows me to be empathetic for you and others, not the colour of my skin, which shouldn’t be mentioned in the first place. I think we will just have to agree to disagree. To me empathy is understanding what others are feeling because you have experienced it yourself or can put yourself in their shoes. I don’t believe any white person in America can emotionally understand the lingering effects of institutionalized racism. Your race wasn’t deemed inferior, your grandparents weren’t denied education because of the color of their skin, your race, excluding women, don’t make less than a white male for the same job. Please tell me about your past experiences that have allowed you to put yourself in my shoes when it comes to institutional racism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Heart 15,041 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Awful. Poor employees. ▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Detox 2,779 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 That's how monkeys act. I'm sorry. THIS IS AWFUL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
illbekind 1,316 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Craven Moorecox said: I think we will just have to agree to disagree. To me empathy is understanding what others are feeling because you have experienced it yourself or can put yourself in their shoes. I don’t believe any white person in America can emotionally understand the lingering effects of institutionalized racism. Your race wasn’t deemed inferior, your grandparents weren’t denied education because of the color of their skin, your race, excluding women, don’t make less than a white male for the same job. Please tell me about your past experiences that have allowed you to put yourself in my shoes when it comes to institutional racism. I know what you are saying and I could never try and say yes I’ve been through the same thing or I know your experience. And I completely agreee that the atrocities of the past when it comes to racial prejudice still linger. But without getting into details because honestly I don’t know in the same way if you would really know my experience, what I’m relating to you is the feeling that comes from being discriminated against. Of course I am sympathetic as well and I am sorry to hear you and many others have been through this. But you also have to allow people who aren’t black, or Asian, or gay or whatever the difference may be, to relate to your experiences through their own and connect on an emotional level to what you are saying. This is the only way you can actually allow others to understand what you go through, and I feel like if people had this approach to those who don’t understand why the term monkey could be offensive, rather than bashing them because they’re white and they will never understand and being completely over dramatic about this whole thing, there would be a common ground to assess the solution to this not happening again. Especially when unfortunately not as many people are willing to be understanding and listen and even try to relate to what you are saying. The movement against racial discrimination is going to need a lot more than the people who are being discriminated against to change anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judicorn 303 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 It's perfectly reasonable to disagree with this protest but why would you call black South African protesters "monkeys/animals" when that it is reason they are protesting? They literally trashed a store because they are that insulted by being called monkeys by white people but here are yall. Please don't accuse these protesters of "making the situation worse" when you are doing the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkTheFunk 125,733 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I'm surprised that I don't see even a fraction of this outrage for the slave labor and sweat shops these companies all shamelessly use. As long as those cute jeans fit, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yes 561 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 hours ago, illbekind said: I know what you are saying and I could never try and say yes I’ve been through the same thing or I know your experience. And I completely agreee that the atrocities of the past when it comes to racial prejudice still linger. But without getting into details because honestly I don’t know in the same way if you would really know my experience, what I’m relating to you is the feeling that comes from being discriminated against. Of course I am sympathetic as well and I am sorry to hear you and many others have been through this. But you also have to allow people who aren’t black, or Asian, or gay or whatever the difference may be, to relate to your experiences through their own and connect on an emotional level to what you are saying. This is the only way you can actually allow others to understand what you go through, and I feel like if people had this approach to those who don’t understand why the term monkey could be offensive, rather than bashing them because they’re white and they will never understand and being completely over dramatic about this whole thing, there would be a common ground to assess the solution to this not happening again. Especially when unfortunately not as many people are willing to be understanding and listen and even try to relate to what you are saying. The movement against racial discrimination is going to need a lot more than the people who are being discriminated against to change anything. But then you're just making it about yourself... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
illbekind 1,316 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, yes said: But then you're just making it about yourself... Lmao what? How is this about any individual at all? Maybe on an individual level we can all listen to each other’s experiences a bit more to get a better understanding of peoples perspective.. but my whole post was just about how other people who are more priveleged should try and understand how racism affects others through their own experiences. This is what annoys me about this conversation. I am sure 99% of people on this forum would not and do not accept systematic or institutional racism. But just like the people deciding this is racist because it says “monkey” on a black child, we are also deciding certain people and what they are saying are racist because of the colour of their skin. The anger is just unfathomable. Just because I’m white doesn’t make me personally responsible for this or automatically make me racist and just because H&M made a mistake does not make all white people, corporations etc racist and does not justify a horrible action like this on a store where probably the majority of the workers were black and had nothing to do with the decision. I think there is a broader issue at hand here, and I’m sure people no matter what their opinion is would agree. and the fact that you don’t see that in what I’m saying is leaving me shook Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wig Snatched 98 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 i am H&M employee and this is a big mess but qween needs to pay the bills Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
britneygaga99 359 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I hope he rots in jail and loses his home. Too bad there wasn’t security to give him a good bashing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalsePromise 424 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 This is so dumb but most people are so... If this is the way, than gays should've destroyed half of the world, yet in this case there wasn't a problem but media and "woke" selfpromoting popstars made it cuz racism sells just like sex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SychosSoChic 9,995 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I was actually in the mall when it happened So the EFF is a political party that has the majority of its support coming from the Lower Class. It's not known for subtlety, it's not known for peaceful demonstration, and it's not known for patience. It's the party that demands immediate change. They are one of the 3 main political parties in the country at the moment. There was a protest In my mall, I don't think there was an actual attack on the branch, just a protest, none of my customers said anything and it was over pretty quickly. There was no drill, no panic, no danger, it was just another march. We see them all the time. H&M should know better. That is the consensus. But the EFF is not the face of our country. I've never excused their barbaric actions, and I won't do so now. And before y'all try it, remember that South Africa as we know it, is less than 23 years old. I am part of the first generation to not be born under the Apartheid regime. Most of the protestors are old enough to have survived it, and are more sensitive to these issues. South Africa has a lot of forgiveness, compromise and growing pains to go through, these kind of incidents are a reminder of how much more we need to grow. Life ain't Hollywood for any one of us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfewqxriweui283 38 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelandro 442 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Well this pretty much intensifies the stereotypes against the black community. What kind of a statement is this supposed to be? They are offended by being compared to an animal and then go ahead and act like one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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