Lily Allen makes offensive statement about Rochdale victims

[uo111 5,285]

Just now, StrawberryBlond said:

I read the comments to get an idea of what the public are thinking. And not everyone on DM think the same. There are liberals on there, believe it or not. And for a liberal, a group which claims to be against blanket statements of entire groups, you seem a bit too happy to negatively smear an entire group of people as idiots. Considering that it was claimed that most people are annoyed because they claim all men aren't like that, I wanted to prove that wasn't the case. But apparently, I can't defend the truth. Only truth that supports a liberal viewpoint is allowed to be defended. Most opinions aren't wrong either. That's the whole nature of an opinion.

No, not all men like to rape women. That's way too much of a generalised statement. And you seriously don't see why what you just said was problematic? What a dark message to send. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence in women, does it? Basically tells them to lock themselves in their houses, but oh no, they're not even safe there if men live there too! What warped thinking. Sure, she's pointing the finger at men but fails to spot a clear pattern that the acknowledging of could make all the difference.

Your last sentence could easily be said about you as you clearly only look at liberal propaganda that brainwashes you into believing that all white people are essentially guilty and all non whites are essentially innocent instead of just judging on individual cases and establishing societal patterns.

#Notallmen, but, especially #NotWhiteMen

What in my reply even remotely hinted at race? And you call me brainwashed? Jesus.

[StrawberryBlond 15,668]

6 minutes ago, uo111 said:

#Notallmen, but, especially #NotWhiteMen

What in my reply even remotely hinted at race? And you call me brainwashed? Jesus.

No, that's not what i said at all. I'm a woman and even I don't like the idea of all men being treated as potential rapists, it's insulting to the good men out there. And no, I'm in no way saying that white men don't rape. I'm just highlighting the shocking statistics of non-white men raping in the UK, facts that cannot be denied.

Your reply didn't hint at race but this whole topic is going to revolve around it and I know when a lot of people criticise the DM, they're doing it from the view that everyone on there is a racist. I know what you're defending with your replies and you just did it with this one. I'm suggesting that liberals just need to cast aside their political affiliations for one second and look at the facts and make up their minds based on that. I'm a liberal and I don't live my whole life wondering "should I believe this or is it not liberal of me to do so?" Facts are facts and sometimes, the decision we come to is neutral.

For the record, my overall view is that anyone, of any race, needs to be strictly vetted before moving to another country. And if they commit a crime most severe while there, it should be a case of instant deportation. All religious institutions must also be routinely inspected to make sure no radicalisation is taking place. Plenty of non-Western countries have policies like this and liberals don't seem to have a problem with them doing it. Apparently, these nations have a right to protect their locals, in their eyes. But the minute a Western country wants to do it, apparently, it's Nazi Germany all over again.

[uo111 5,285]

1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

No, that's not what i said at all.

I don't really know UK current events or how the Dailymail is perceived except that it is tabloid trash (which is obvious enough considering they are covering tweets).

I was not really aware of how or why race would come to the forefront of this discussion because I wasn't aware of this scandal. I just looked up what this tweet was really in reference too and now see that this thread isn't really about Lily Allen.

 I've looked into the situation more, specifically I've skimmed this report. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/401119/46966_Rotherham_Report_PRINT.pdf

It seems to me that the Pakistani community held significant influence in this town, and that is why the sex ring was not being investigated. While their common bond was race, these types of things unfortunately happen all over the world by men of all different creeds. White men cover up their sex trafficking rings too.

The right's rhetoric seems to be that whities are so liberal they are afraid to investigate brown people. But actually this seems to be a case of powerful men protecting their own. The way they choose to do it was to try to ruin reputations by accusing people of being racist. I understand your frustration with that, but this is a unique case of a minority group having way more power than normal. An individual immigrant would not have the same kind of leverage, nor do immigrants currently have anywhere near the amount of influence that these Pakistanis did in this particular town, so the alarmist message that "political correctness caused Rochdale" seems like the wrong conclusion to come to. Power and corruption caused it.

It also has nothing to do with immigrants coming in a decade later, who are largely considered second class citizens at best.

[Morphine Prince 109,962]

Lily Allen remains unbothered, I bet. 

[StrawberryBlond 15,668]

21 hours ago, uo111 said:

I don't really know UK current events or how the Dailymail is perceived except that it is tabloid trash (which is obvious enough considering they are covering tweets).

I was not really aware of how or why race would come to the forefront of this discussion because I wasn't aware of this scandal. I just looked up what this tweet was really in reference too and now see that this thread isn't really about Lily Allen.

 I've looked into the situation more, specifically I've skimmed this report. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/401119/46966_Rotherham_Report_PRINT.pdf

It seems to me that the Pakistani community held significant influence in this town, and that is why the sex ring was not being investigated. While their common bond was race, these types of things unfortunately happen all over the world by men of all different creeds. White men cover up their sex trafficking rings too.

The right's rhetoric seems to be that whities are so liberal they are afraid to investigate brown people. But actually this seems to be a case of powerful men protecting their own. The way they choose to do it was to try to ruin reputations by accusing people of being racist. I understand your frustration with that, but this is a unique case of a minority group having way more power than normal. An individual immigrant would not have the same kind of leverage, nor do immigrants currently have anywhere near the amount of influence that these Pakistanis did in this particular town, so the alarmist message that "political correctness caused Rochdale" seems like the wrong conclusion to come to. Power and corruption caused it.

It also has nothing to do with immigrants coming in a decade later, who are largely considered second class citizens at best.

And this is part of the problem - you don't know what current UK events are because you don't live here and don't know what it's like here, so you aren't speaking from experience. The DM is widely criticised by many and it has its faults but as it was the paper my parents read, I like many others, continue to consume the same media. We've always been a working class Labour voting family, so clearly, it's not just conservative types who read it. Its reputation is quite unfounded in lots of ways, it's all mostly scaremongering. Their reporting is actually very neutral, it can't help it if its readers take something undesirable away from it. They just report something that happened, without giving any opinion on it apart from opinion pieces, of course. I've always just read their stories and made up my own mind, I was shocked when I got older to discover that it was even a conservative newspaper, its never come across like that to me. If you want real gutter press reporting at its best, check out The Sun or The Daily Express. Check out some of the historic articles they once printed too. Not that I'm in any practice of judging people by the paper they read. I just think we should keep an open mind. Like, you know, liberals are supposed to do.

I already detailed why race was a factor in my opening post, so you clearly didn't read it. But notice how you jumped right in there and started talking about something that you later claimed to know nothing about? Maybe you should make more informed research before commenting on such a sensitive story?

Yes, this gang did hold significant influence and it's not just that specific town, gangs like this operate all over Britain and they're protected by the PC attitude we have against investigating them because we're afraid of repercussions. This isn't a "unique case" by any means. In certain areas of Britain, minority gangs run an area and police are afraid to enter. This isn't scaremongering, it's the truth, taken from people who actually live in and around these areas. Read this shocking stat made public recently (I wanted to announce this back when it was released but didn't as I was afraid of the hate it would bring, even though I'm only reporting the truth): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5165893/84-men-convicted-grooming-white-girls-Asian.html

I never said that white men don't do this too. My point is that when white men do it, suddenly, there's no hesitation in barging in and getting justice served, which is the way things should be done. But a sex ring involving members of a non-white race? Tip toe around it and disbelieve the victims. It's the way of the world now, unfortunately. This isn't about being liberal or conservative, just look at the stats and come to a neutral conclusion.

Hold on a minute. You're saying that majority of non whites don't have this level of power, next you're saying that police officers were bowing to the influence of non whites. But I thought white men only protected other white men, right? Either non whites have power or they don't. You can't have it both ways. Whenever you've been caught out, you conveniently find a way to make out that you're still right, grasping at whatever straws it takes to do so. I have seen liberals many times repeat a certain belief that supports PC/SJW ideology, but then, when a story comes up that challenges that widely held wisdom, they start contradicting themselves, they make exceptions, they apparently switch sides. And no more is this more evident than when it involves a non white perpetrator/white victim situation. It's really sad and infuriating how SJW liberals always claim to side with justice but then the minute a white person is the one in need of support and protection, they throw them under the bus. They deny that things like racism and hate crime can be possible when it's aimed towards a white person.

It doesn't matter if you're considered a second class citizen or not, being of a lower class doesn't mean you're less likely to commit crime. The exact opposite, in fact. Luckily, the UK has, for some reason, missed out on the most shocking attacks from refugees/migrants onto its population. The same can't be said of other European countries like Germany, Sweden and France. 2 young women dragged to the ground and gang raped by refugees on a bridge in Paris in broad daylight. A music festival in Cologne in meltdown as 1000 migrant men moving through the crowds, assaulting women, with over 120 reports made. The same thing happened at 2 festivals in Sweden and the area of Rinkeby is a gangland wasteland now, with local women afraid to leave their home due to multiple assaults in the area by migrants, gangs of foreign men loiter in the streets and shout disgusting comments to women walking by. And the authorities in all these countries did the same thing - conceal, conceal, conceal. Any reference to these incidents is met with a wall of denial or silence by liberals. No wonder multiple women have tried to complain and nothing has been done. I mean, that's a very different kind of corruption and power, but corruption and power all the same.

7 hours ago, Morphine Prince said:

Lily Allen remains unbothered, I bet. 

That comment hardly belongs in such a serious thread concerning grooming and rape. This isn't an everyday celebrity feud we're talking about. You'd change your tune very quickly if the races were reversed and likely be demanding everyone show respect to the victims, right?

[Morphine Prince 109,962]

18 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

This isn't an everyday celebrity feud we're talking about. You'd change your tune very quickly if the races were reversed and likely be demanding everyone show respect to the victims, right?

Always bringing up race. Spoken like a true racist. 

Stop harrassing me. Don’t quote me. 

[StrawberryBlond 15,668]

34 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Always bringing up race. Spoken like a true racist. 

Stop harrassing me. Don’t quote me. 

There you are, calling me a racist again. It's you who inserts race into everything, not me.

But fine, I'll leave it. But maybe, if you don't want me to quote you, stop saying stuff that riles me.

[Morphine Prince 109,962]

24 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

There you are, calling me a racist again. It's you who inserts race into everything, not me.

But fine, I'll leave it. But maybe, if you don't want me to quote you, stop saying stuff that riles me.

You inserted it here, racist. 

Who are you? I can say whatever I want without having to consider you. 

Get riled up all you want. 

[uo111 5,285]

47 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

And this is part of the problem - you don't know what current UK events are because you don't live here and don't know what it's like here, so you aren't speaking from experience. The DM is widely criticised by many and it has its faults but as it was the paper my parents read, I like many others, continue to consume the same media. We've always been a working class Labour voting family, so clearly, it's not just conservative types who read it. Its reputation is quite unfounded in lots of ways, it's all mostly scaremongering. Their reporting is actually very neutral, it can't help it if its readers take something undesirable away from it. They just report something that happened, without giving any opinion on it apart from opinion pieces, of course. I've always just read their stories and made up my own mind, I was shocked when I got older to discover that it was even a conservative newspaper, its never come across like that to me. If you want real gutter press reporting at its best, check out The Sun or The Daily Express. Check out some of the historic articles they once printed too. Not that I'm in any practice of judging people by the paper they read. I just think we should keep an open mind. Like, you know, liberals are supposed to do.

I already detailed why race was a factor in my opening post, so you clearly didn't read it. But notice how you jumped right in there and started talking about something that you later claimed to know nothing about? Maybe you should make more informed research before commenting on such a sensitive story?

Yes, this gang did hold significant influence and it's not just that specific town, gangs like this operate all over Britain and they're protected by the PC attitude we have against investigating them because we're afraid of repercussions. This isn't a "unique case" by any means. In certain areas of Britain, minority gangs run an area and police are afraid to enter. This isn't scaremongering, it's the truth, taken from people who actually live in and around these areas. Read this shocking stat made public recently (I wanted to announce this back when it was released but didn't as I was afraid of the hate it would bring, even though I'm only reporting the truth): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5165893/84-men-convicted-grooming-white-girls-Asian.html

I never said that white men don't do this too. My point is that when white men do it, suddenly, there's no hesitation in barging in and getting justice served, which is the way things should be done. But a sex ring involving members of a non-white race? Tip toe around it and disbelieve the victims. It's the way of the world now, unfortunately. This isn't about being liberal or conservative, just look at the stats and come to a neutral conclusion.

Hold on a minute. You're saying that majority of non whites don't have this level of power, next you're saying that police officers were bowing to the influence of non whites. But I thought white men only protected other white men, right? Either non whites have power or they don't. You can't have it both ways. Whenever you've been caught out, you conveniently find a way to make out that you're still right, grasping at whatever straws it takes to do so. I have seen liberals many times repeat a certain belief that supports PC/SJW ideology, but then, when a story comes up that challenges that widely held wisdom, they start contradicting themselves, they make exceptions, they apparently switch sides. And no more is this more evident than when it involves a non white perpetrator/white victim situation. It's really sad and infuriating how SJW liberals always claim to side with justice but then the minute a white person is the one in need of support and protection, they throw them under the bus. They deny that things like racism and hate crime can be possible when it's aimed towards a white person.

It doesn't matter if you're considered a second class citizen or not, being of a lower class doesn't mean you're less likely to commit crime. The exact opposite, in fact. Luckily, the UK has, for some reason, missed out on the most shocking attacks from refugees/migrants onto its population. The same can't be said of other European countries like Germany, Sweden and France. 2 young women dragged to the ground and gang raped by refugees on a bridge in Paris in broad daylight. A music festival in Cologne in meltdown as 1000 migrant men moving through the crowds, assaulting women, with over 120 reports made. The same thing happened at 2 festivals in Sweden and the area of Rinkeby is a gangland wasteland now, with local women afraid to leave their home due to multiple assaults in the area by migrants, gangs of foreign men loiter in the streets and shout disgusting comments to women walking by. And the authorities in all these countries did the same thing - conceal, conceal, conceal. Any reference to these incidents is met with a wall of denial or silence by liberals. No wonder multiple women have tried to complain and nothing has been done. I mean, that's a very different kind of corruption and power, but corruption and power all the same.

That comment hardly belongs in such a serious thread concerning grooming and rape. This isn't an everyday celebrity feud we're talking about. You'd change your tune very quickly if the races were reversed and likely be demanding everyone show respect to the victims, right?

When I originally responded I was only talking about Lily Allen’s tweet. I didn’t read your post because it wasn’t the article, it was your opinion and I didn’t care to read you opinion about Lily Allen when the title of the thread itself was false.

Life is complicated, your “either every brown person is weak or every brown person is a rapist, there is no other choice!” statement is simple-minded, demeaning, and nonsensical.

What do you want me to do with it? Obviously it’s untrue and ignores simple truths like not every situation is the same and not every person is the same.

And then you lecture me of not knowing events in the UK while telling me how women in Germany, France and Sweden feel in the same breath. You must know how hypocrtical that is?

You are afraid of every brown person in the world because of the actions of 84 men in one city. And a star suggesting that white men also rape and banning muslis would not solve rape made you so angry that you had to come post about it here. You understand why your, “liberals are so dumb,” rhetoric is hard to take seriously.

[Cuchulainn 3,040]

2 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

There you are, calling me a racist again. It's you who inserts race into everything, not me.

But fine, I'll leave it. But maybe, if you don't want me to quote you, stop saying stuff that riles me.

You're not a racist don't let it bother you

[Bebe 17,289]

13 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I never said that white men don't do this too. My point is that when white men do it, suddenly, there's no hesitation in barging in and getting justice served, which is the way things should be done. But a sex ring involving members of a non-white race? Tip toe around it and disbelieve the victims. It's the way of the world now, unfortunately. This isn't about being liberal or conservative, just look at the stats and come to a neutral conclusion.

I'm going to hate myself for entering this discussion honestly, but let's be real with ourselves here.

It's not like, idk, in Ireland there was a shocking extent of abuse, cover-ups and hierarchical failings involving thousands of victims and stretching back decades from the Catholic Church... Hundreds of priests had abused thousands of children. The Dublin archdiocese operated in a culture of concealment, placing the integrity of its institutions above the welfare of the children in its care.

It's not like, idk, the British parliament was accused of covering up a pedophile network filled with important VIPs, MP's and people associated with the British Government. Westminster paedophile dossier?

Jehovah’s Witnesses have claimed they were told not to report allegations of child abuse, as the organisation was accused of sheltering abusers.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/20/jehovahs-witnesses-claim-told-not-report-child-sex-abuse-organisation/

 

The Church of England has been accused of repeatedly covering up abuse
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5163161/Church-England-faces-new-sex-abuse-cover-row.html

Hell even former England manager Graham Taylor was involved in a cover-up at Aston Villa which led to young boys being exposed to a paedophile who had been working as a scout for the Birmingham-based club
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/853780/england-football-aston-villa-manager-graham-taylor-sexual-abuse-inquiry-cover-up

It's also not like there wasn't any tip-toeing around figures like Jimmy Savile?  

Come off it, there are cover ups when it comes to white men. There is the disbelief of victims. There are white communities who band together to hide abuse committed it's members. There isn't a scary pedophile underworld full of brown people who feel untouchable by the law - I'd be more worried about the white men in positions of power, they're the ones likely to get away with awful abuses.

[Haz 82]

Lily Allen infuriates me, she is a walking hypocrite. If they where white attackers she'd be all over it like a Corbynite is to Venezuelan politics. 

Britain now has a culture where mainstream media now has to cover up anything negative about the BME communities in the UK to not come under fire from the loony left. Recently there was an article written in The Sun by the Labour MP for Rochdale, who admitted the UK did have a problem with Asian men grooming young girls - because let's face it, for every 1 white grooming gang there's probably 5 Asian ones in the UK - and that's not racist, if you think it is then do take a trip to Rochdale, Oldham, Blackburn and other northern communities and speak to victims and authorities. 

It's a problem that needs to be rooted out - not necessarily by deportation or denial of entry to the UK because all the UK Border Force can go on is previous convictions, which in most cases is non-existent. 

[Melech 9,900]

1 hour ago, Bebe said:

I'm going to hate myself for entering this discussion honestly, but let's be real with ourselves here.

It's not like, idk, in Ireland there was a shocking extent of abuse, cover-ups and hierarchical failings involving thousands of victims and stretching back decades from the Catholic Church... Hundreds of priests had abused thousands of children. The Dublin archdiocese operated in a culture of concealment, placing the integrity of its institutions above the welfare of the children in its care.

It's not like, idk, the British parliament was accused of covering up a pedophile network filled with important VIPs, MP's and people associated with the British Government. Westminster paedophile dossier?

Jehovah’s Witnesses have claimed they were told not to report allegations of child abuse, as the organisation was accused of sheltering abusers.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/20/jehovahs-witnesses-claim-told-not-report-child-sex-abuse-organisation/

 

The Church of England has been accused of repeatedly covering up abuse
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5163161/Church-England-faces-new-sex-abuse-cover-row.html

Hell even former England manager Graham Taylor was involved in a cover-up at Aston Villa which led to young boys being exposed to a paedophile who had been working as a scout for the Birmingham-based club
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/853780/england-football-aston-villa-manager-graham-taylor-sexual-abuse-inquiry-cover-up

It's also not like there wasn't any tip-toeing around figures like Jimmy Savile?  

Come off it, there are cover ups when it comes to white men. There is the disbelief of victims. There are white communities who band together to hide abuse committed it's members. There isn't a scary pedophile underworld full of brown people who feel untouchable by the law - I'd be more worried about the white men in positions of power, they're the ones likely to get away with awful abuses.

Why not talking about everything equally? There were mass sexual harassment in Cologne New years in 2015 and it was mostly by North African migrants and it would be wrong to totally ignore the cultural aspect of it. 

[Haz 82]

10 minutes ago, Melech said:

Why not talking about everything equally? There were mass sexual harassment in Cologne New years in 2015 and it was mostly by North African migrants and it would be wrong to totally ignore the cultural aspect of it. 

Interestingly enough German ministers came out and said there would be more police on the streets of Berlin, Cologne and Munich during NYE because of 'a substantial rise in sex attacks from men of migrant descent'

Definitely in need of a better word than 'migrant' but I think we all get the gist. 

[Melech 9,900]

Just now, Haz said:

Interestingly enough German ministers came out and said there would be more police on the streets of Berlin, Cologne and Munich during NYE because of 'a substantial rise in sex attacks from men of migrant descent'

Definitely in need of a better word than 'migrant' but I think we all get the gist. 

Well it was safer this year for sure. 

And I am not saying migrants shouldn't come to Germany but ignoring the problems won't get us much far as well