Adampervez 603 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 This thread is a mess oh my god I just love how there would be no mass refugee problem that you complain about if white people and the west did not aid in the growth of groups such as ISIS and Al Qaeda or cause the fall of gaddaffi and other political leaders for their own interest. The middle east, africa and asia has always been some sort of play thing for westerners ever since colonialism. Instead of being scared and giving into right wing biased 'news'.... learn to read more, educate yourselves and uncover the truth pls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 17 minutes ago, Qualle1 said: Honey, wouldn't it be better to state the facts correctly out of the German article you shared with us? On top of that the "survey" of the 800 refugees/asylum-seekers from Eritrea, Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan is not representativ. Very disappointed... Most surveys contain 500-1000 people who are getting asked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qualle1 1,385 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Melech said: Most surveys contain 500-1000 people who are getting asked. You as a student should actually know about the meaning behind the word "representative"... MAKE LOVE NOT WAR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, Adampervez said: This thread is a mess oh my god I just love how there would be no mass refugee problem that you complain about if white people and the west did not aid in the growth of groups such as ISIS and Al Qaeda or cause the fall of gaddaffi and other political leaders for their own interest. The middle east, africa and asia has always been some sort of play thing for westerners ever since colonialism. Instead of being scared and giving into right wing biased 'news'.... learn to read more, educate yourselves and uncover the truth pls maybe you should quote the people you are talking about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 13 minutes ago, benKo said: Surprised to hear that from you But I support that. I never said something different, though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benKo 3,362 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 20 minutes ago, Melech said: I never said something different, though Then I'm mixing something up maybe... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy 5,686 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Move to LA or Seattle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debithius 6,059 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 9 hours ago, Blond said: So heeere we go. Before starting i want you to know that this is more of like question for your opinion. Following immigrant crisis in the Europe,i was pretty okay with it.I thought:'Hey,why wouldn't we let refugees in,they're just be here until war'.Then everything with violence started.Many countries like Sweden and Germany have accepted many,many immigrants.Germany ,i think,accepted 600,000 people,while Sweden 100,000 of which many of them gained permanent residency.After that,they'll get welfare,because many of them will fail to adapt,but...With this they're ruining economy and they're ruining stability.They also often claim some parts of the city as their own,as it's the case in the Sweden often, and make it like their own country.The problem is... Will they adapt?Also immigrant muslim population is growing fast with some of the men having multiple wives gaining many welfare bonuses on burden of the natives.They could replace the natives in the future and implement their own laws which is terrifying.Look at country they came from,it's practically a ruin for any person.When they get the majority of people,they could change so many things.Homosexuality COULD be banned and death sentences might be in the present.So are they okay for us ?Crime rate has also increased My country has accepted about 4 thousand refugees and it's really not much,considering other countries.I also want to a immigrant.My country is also not tolerant.I want to move to some of the West countries,but i'm not going to be violent and i actually will have degree as i'm student right now.But i want to go to the country that IS SAFE,i wouldn't ever want to go to the Sweden for example because of the rising threat for any homosexual there.So where should i go,because it's like there anywhere in the Western Europe now.I can't kiss my boyfriend because of the some people that justify hate through their religion. So no,i don't hate,you cannot actually say that.I'm not racist,i don't hate other religions,but LAWS do exist so should tolerance.Europe wanted to make them adapt,but actually Europe is adapting to refugees and illegal immigrants now. So if i have nowhere to move into (regarding Western Europe) it's still a better thing to move to other parts of the world.Iceland or USA for example... I feel so confused and scared,i don't know what to think about immigrants anymore,but i know that they should go back and rebuild country after war finishes,but the problem is will they and will they stay here and make their own rules and implement sharia law. Fam I live in Sweden and I have never been harassed by a muslim for being gay, what the ****. I have no idea what you are talking about. Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Iceland and Schweitz are the safest European countries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexxx 5,739 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Idk who Chinagirl is but I love her Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naor Daniel 937 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 I live in *trigger warning* Israel, a country with 21% of its citizens being Arab. The main difference between Israel and other Western nations, is that it's not "nice" or "politically correct". Israeli Arabs know going out of the lines and trying to mess with the Jewish sector will result in consequences, actions will be taken (Israeli governments have always been quick to take actions on security). I think therefore, by behaving the way a democratic country SHOULD behave, the Israeli Jews never felt Israeli Arabs are trying to force anything on them, and even their own people. Sharia law is nowhere to be seen or promoted, the only Arab party is quite secular/communist in its core. Israeli Arabs are advancing, trying to be great, not asking for welfare or religious laws, they never do and they know they won't get it or impose it anywhere. The average secular Israeli Jew is more concerned of religious Jews, not with Muslims. That aside, I'm not going to disclaim what you said and claim it's false, because it's not. Being gay in the Muslim communities is completely different from the Jewish ones. Most are in the closet or disowned once found it. I don't recall any gay Arab being murdered by his family but many women are. The culture is completely different, closed and primitive. Western countries have the responsibility to take care of these people but they're too "European" to even grasp their culture. That's why, quite ironically, Muslims in Europe are some of the most extremist Muslims in the world. It's a mixture of very intolerant religion with a too tolerant society. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SychosSoChic 9,995 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 "UTOPIA" Europe colonized and enslaved the world. Europe waged war against the Middle East for CENTURIES because of religion. Europe is the birthplace of institutional racism. Y'all erased cultures and destroyed civilizations in your effort to find and take resources. And now, 2 centuries later, the world comes to Europe, and you want to turn them away European culture is deeply flawed if the only way to be accepted is to give up all culture and identity and assimilate into the role of a Christian European Citzen. These people are not European. They are not Christian. Stop expecting them to be. They may not be the ideal people to land on your doorstep. But if the West had just minded its own business in the past, the Middle East would not have become the unstable mess it is today. The West needs to start taking responsibility for its past, because this "Utopia" you dreamed of, never existed. In fact, to millions, the West is not the Good Guy anymore. Life ain't Hollywood for any one of us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, SychosSoChic said: Europe colonized and enslaved the world. Europe waged war against the Middle East for CENTURIES because of religion. Europe is the birthplace of institutional racism. Y'all erased cultures and destroyed civilizations in your effort to find and take resources. Did you never heard of Arab colonization and slavery in North Africa And Europe doesn't need to accept sexist, homophobes or anti-semites Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naor Daniel 937 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, SychosSoChic said: "UTOPIA" Europe colonized and enslaved the world. Europe waged war against the Middle East for CENTURIES because of religion. Europe is the birthplace of institutional racism. Y'all erased cultures and destroyed civilizations in your effort to find and take resources. And now, 2 centuries later, the world comes to Europe, and you want to turn them away European culture is deeply flawed if the only way to be accepted is to give up all culture and identity and assimilate into the role of a Christian European Citzen. These people are not European. They are not Christian. Stop expecting them to be. They may not be the ideal people to land on your doorstep. But if the West had just minded its own business in the past, the Middle East would not have become the unstable mess it is today. The West needs to start taking responsibility for its past, because this "Utopia" you dreamed of, never existed. In fact, to millions, the West is not the Good Guy anymore. Do you seriously believe institutional racism is a European invention? It existed since the beginning of times, everywhere. Europe might have done the most terrible atrocities in history but it's also the birth place of democracy, individualism, secularism, and many of the rights we have today, we can't ignore that. The problem with Europe IMO is the fact it's built on social welfare, and it's only possible in a homogeneous, educated and civilized population. An influx of refugees who get welfare the moment they set their foot on the land do not go to work as often, study or open to the world. That's why Muslim immigrants in America are nowhere as problematic as Muslims in Europe. They won't last long if they won't be patriotic, try to assimilate, go to work (social welfare is almost nonexistent in the very capitalist US). I think it's positive, I think it's good that the right and Christianity are so strong in the US, it means the standards are high and people actually fulfill them. I can talk about Jews in this case as well. Ultra Orthodox Jews in Israel are a small minority who is constantly trying to force its religion on the rest of society - they don't work, they get lots of money from the government, their schools are subsidized by the government and they have lots of power, they make 6-8 children on average and they are a demographic threat to the nation. In America, they work in anything, they're quite rich, and they don't mess with the rest of the people they live with. If Israel wasn't tolerant to their behavior they wouldn't be as regressive and dangerous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zilla 13,465 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 You guys can never have a civil discussion about these things cmon now. 𝙸'𝚖 𝚊 𝚓𝚘𝚛𝚝𝚜 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚓𝚎𝚕𝚕𝚢 𝚜𝚑𝚘𝚎𝚜 𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚍 𝚘𝚏 𝚐𝚒𝚛𝚕. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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