ARTPOP2 3,948 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Nicogly said: “Stolen” land... how many times is Jersualem/Israel land mentioned in the Quran? Oh yeah thats right, zero... Im not saying every action done by Israel is right but, after WW2 the state of Israel is what the Jews deserved. If you think otherwise, you are an anti semite, and you might not even know it! 1 hour ago, CrazyMonster said: Lmao okay, no just no. That's not how it works. I disagree with Lorde's decision to cancel her show in Israel cause she's only punishing fans and not the state/government itself. Plus, I think that the state of Israel isn't what the Jews deserved and I'm not anti Semite. Sorry for intervening, just wanted to make a point on how if someone does not approve what the State of Israel does, it does not mean this person hates Jewish people ; therefore this person is not anti-Semite, this person is just anti-zionist. No hate towards any group. We belong together ❤ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen 30,426 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Can someone explain this to me in simple terms? I never understood this Israel/Palestine thing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinTrudeau 2,419 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Punish the state, not the fans. It's a well-meaning decision, but literally changes nothing. I fell down the stairs once as an actor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
venusfly 17,885 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Steve Nasty said: Can someone explain this to me in simple terms? I never understood this Israel/Palestine thing Jerusalem is holy land for both judaism and islam, palestine is a muslim state and Israel is a jewish state, they're fighting over who owns the city, the world is pretty much at a 50/50 split in who deserves what Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, ARTPOP2 said: Sorry for intervening, just wanted to make a point on how if someone does not approve what the State of Israel does, it does not mean this person hates Jewish people ; therefore this person is not anti-Semite, this person is just anti-zionist. No hate towards any group. We belong together ❤ Anti semitism and anti Zionism often is connected Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen 30,426 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 10 minutes ago, Venusfly said: Jerusalem is holy land for both judaism and islam, palestine is a muslim state and Israel is a jewish state, they're fighting over who owns the city, the world is pretty much at a 50/50 split in who deserves what Oooh. But why does Lorde have to cancel her show? Or if it's such a sensitive area why would she schedule a show there anyway? Like has something changed since she announced the show? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
qoqo 3,736 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 As one of the people who bought a ticket to this show, I’m disappointed. I’ve never been to a concert out of Israel and being a soldier in the army I don’t even have time for concerts that play here. I’m a big fan and it sucks, especially since it seems lorde doesn’t have a rooted opinion on the conflict and she’s just taking the easiest step. As a logical person, I’m not mad at her. It’s a rough place. Shows being cancelled is one of the smaller prices there is to pay to live here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
venusfly 17,885 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Just now, Steve Nasty said: Oooh. But why does Lorde have to cancel her show? Or if it's such a sensitive area why would she schedule a show there anyway? Like has something changed since she announced the show? Social justice people tend to side with Palestine mostly, so twitter weren't too happy that Lorde was doing a show in Israel. Stars go to Israel all the time its not usually a big issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, Steve Nasty said: Oooh. But why does Lorde have to cancel her show? Or if it's such a sensitive area why would she schedule a show there anyway? Like has something changed since she announced the show? Israel is held to a double standard. sjw hate Israel but have no problem with Lorde performing in russia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelusionalGaga 29,581 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Have y'all heard of social pressure? I doubt that she's protesting Israel or even has a stance on this political issue. It's just people on the internet have been bashing her for touring in Tel Aviv and made her responsible for supporting the murder of Palestinians. She gave in because she's afraid of backlash. She's only human. Just look at what people have been saying about Gal Gadot the past few weeks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 117,306 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 If she was smart enough to even check properly the situation and the solution, she could easily find out that she can perform for both sides next to the wall (there’s an area that is visible for both), a few artists did it in the past, instead of pushing for peace, she took the easy step and kept the war... If she woke and politics, at least she could use it for good, but she didn’t, she’s an example why musicians shouldn’t deal with politics outside of their own country... (But part of me is kinda happy, it’s time for Israel, my country, to change their extreme right ways, enough is enough) So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cocaine Heart 4,768 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 48 minutes ago, Venusfly said: Jerusalem is holy land for both judaism and islam, palestine is a muslim state and Israel is a jewish state, they're fighting over who owns the city, the world is pretty much at a 50/50 split in who deserves what Palestine is not a Muslim state. The issue is not a religious one, you are aware 35 minutes ago, Venusfly said: Social justice people tend to side with Palestine mostly, so twitter weren't too happy that Lorde was doing a show in Israel. Stars go to Israel all the time its not usually a big issue. Not 'social justice people,' people who know what is actually going on. Israel is an Apartheid state. Palestinians don't have equal rights .... I could go on and on but it would be pointless, just a few points for the people who don't know much about what is going on there and take your word for it because you are a mod. It is always an issue when stars go there. The same plea is always made. It;s just that stars usually ignore it and go either way. We going to boo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
venusfly 17,885 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 16 minutes ago, Cocaine Heart said: Palestine is not a Muslim state. The issue is not a religious one, you are aware Not 'social justice people,' people who know what is actually going on. Israel is an Apartheid state. Palestinians don't have equal rights .... I could go on and on but it would be pointless, just a few points for the people who don't know much about what is going on there and take your word for it because you are a mod. It is always an issue when stars go there. The same plea is always made. It;s just that stars usually ignore it and go either way. To make it clear I wasn't taking sides, it's just a fact the more socially conscious ones side with Palestine. It is pretty much a Muslim state, 95%+ of its population are Muslim and the issue is entirely centred around religion, even if just on the Jewish side. The whole issue exists because Israel are trying to take land off Palestine for religious reasons. However, I don't think that's any reason for stars not to perform there, it's not making a political statement to hold a concert in a country for your fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yemeni Feed 829 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 4 hours ago, Melech said: Saudi Arabia for example literally bombs the **** out of Yemen Omg Someone is woke. But lorde did not preform in KSA did she? 4 hours ago, Melech said: What about the Apartheit Jews or Christians face in Arab countries? It doesn’t count? Where? I haven’t heard of christians being discriminated against in any stable arab state. Note of the word STABLE. Instagram.com/1.mxe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 117,306 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 19 minutes ago, Cocaine Heart said: Palestine is not a Muslim state. The issue is not a religious one, you are aware Not 'social justice people,' people who know what is actually going on. Israel is an Apartheid state. Palestinians don't have equal rights .... I could go on and on but it would be pointless, just a few points for the people who don't know much about what is going on there and take your word for it because you are a mod. It is always an issue when stars go there. The same plea is always made. It;s just that stars usually ignore it and go either way. The point is that she’s not changing anything, the government doesn’t care about her, the fascists Israelis doesn’t care, they just laugh at her, we won’t see her fans destroying the streets in Israel. It’s just useless to boycott, it didn’t had any real impact so far, just by visibilty, which is not changing anything, the situation is still bad and getting worst.. I believe that music and art in general can bring people together and build bridges, what she did is just to burn another bridge. and let’s be honest, she did it to save her own ass, not for the Palestinians! And this is the worst, she’s not a hero, she’s a coward. Another solution along the one that I wrote few posts before is to donate all the money from the Israeli show to Palestinians aid organizations! So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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