Grammys Admits Of Changing Ways After Last Year's Mess

[StrawberryBlond 14,776]

1 hour ago, phantasmas said:

gurl, what??

i cant read the tone of this but i feel like your misconstruing a lot of my opinions and (those of others and the gp) with your own

and i didnt even say much lol

...besides saying its obvious a diverse committee makes for a diverse nominations list and we should be celebrating that 

no one is saying that white people dont listen to music from non white people either... and yeah, in some situations white people do contribute more to the success of nonwhites..but you shouldnt use those situations to want to solely credit white people lol

no ones going to give white people credit for contributing to something that they should have been contributing to and appreciating a long time ago.. 

such committees in the past have been known to be biased against nonwhites and this is what im getting at... nonwhites are sometimes needed in these spaces for diversity to happen and i dont think thats something you should be insulted about

i would just like for people to remember that this years nominations would not have looked like this decades ago 

im not gonna get into the noms tho cos i dont really care as long as we all appreciate the art when we analyze it

 

My point is that diversity's about a whole lot more than just "more people of colour involved." There also needs to be a wider gender representation, age representation, sexual orientation representation, genre representation and most of all, nationality representation also. But all those things don't seem to matter. Racial representation appears to be the only one that matters.

I'm not saying white people need to be solely credited, just that the perception that all old white people don't listen to rap isn't entirely true and is very stereotypical. Notice how you act as if it's white people's duty to be appreciating black music and artists? Where's that demand for all racial groups? Why must white people be the ones to appreciate everyone yet every other race is under no such obligation? I've yet to hear one poc ever be suggested to broaden their musical tastes but I've heard it a lot directed at white people.

I'm not insulted at the start of more diversity, more insulted that the diversity is being forced and that racial diversity is the only one that matters. And personally, I don't find anything complimentary about being nominated just to fill a diversity quota.

Obviously, the nominations wouldn't have looked like this decades ago because poc weren't given record deals to the extent they are now. Times haven't just started to change in 2017. Black artists are some of the most nominated and awarded artists in Grammy history. So convenient how people go quiet when you give them the stats.

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55 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

My point is that diversity's about a whole lot more than just "more people of colour involved." There also needs to be a wider gender representation, age representation, sexual orientation representation, genre representation and most of all, nationality representation also. But all those things don't seem to matter. Racial representation appears to be the only one that matters.

I'm not saying white people need to be solely credited, just that the perception that all old white people don't listen to rap isn't entirely true and is very stereotypical. Notice how you act as if it's white people's duty to be appreciating black music and artists? Where's that demand for all racial groups? Why must white people be the ones to appreciate everyone yet every other race is under no such obligation? I've yet to hear one poc ever be suggested to broaden their musical tastes but I've heard it a lot directed at white people.

I'm not insulted at the start of more diversity, more insulted that the diversity is being forced and that racial diversity is the only one that matters. And personally, I don't find anything complimentary about being nominated just to fill a diversity quota.

Obviously, the nominations wouldn't have looked like this decades ago because poc weren't given record deals to the extent they are now. Times haven't just started to change in 2017. Black artists are some of the most nominated and awarded artists in Grammy history. So convenient how people go quiet when you give them the stats.

you sound whack and delusional  

 

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On 01/12/2017 at 11:54 PM, StrawberryBlond said:

By "diverse," it pretty much just means "people of colour." You don't see much diversity in gender of nominees, age of nominees, sexual orientation of nominees and especially not diversity in nationality of nominees. It's an American's game above all else. So, yeah, diversity means a lot more than just "more than one race." But somehow, it's the only kind of diversity that matters in 2017.

Views by Drake got nominated last year and it only got a 69 on Metacritic. Pharrell got nominated for GRL back in 2015 and that only got a 67 on Metacritic. Bruno, again, got Doowops and Hooligans nominated back in 2012 and that only had 61 on Metacritic. Before then, there were also nominations for Beyonce and Black Eyed Peas despite critical acclaim in the low 60's as well. Some of those scores are lower than Joanne but Gaga didn't get nominated. There were albums by white artists that were critically acclaimed as well but didn't get nominated. The academy, for one, seem to mysteriously block out all the good albums coming from outside America with the exception of major phenomenons and categories where they have no option but to have non-Americans (Hispanic music categories and suchlike). International albums, no matter how well acclaimed, rarely, if ever, make it to the Grammys. The academy only thinks that acts successful and relevant in America should matter. Most British people watch the Grammys in a state of "who are these people?" Good music is about a whole lot more than what's happening in America.

Are you even British? Cause I am and can guarantee you that British people have heard of Lorde, Jay Z, Kendrick Lamar, Bruno Mars and Childish Gambino (or at least Donald Glover).

That's not even to start on Adele, Ed Sheeran, Sam Smith, Calvin Harris, Amy Winehouse and other really successful British acts recently - I mean, Brits practically dominated the Grammys the last decade!

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5 hours ago, robboadam said:

Are you even British? Cause I am and can guarantee you that British people have heard of Lorde, Jay Z, Kendrick Lamar, Bruno Mars and Childish Gambino (or at least Donald Glover).

That's not even to start on Adele, Ed Sheeran, Sam Smith, Calvin Harris, Amy Winehouse and other really successful British acts recently - I mean, Brits practically dominated the Grammys the last decade!

Yes, born and bred. And I didn't say that they don't recognise anyone, I was referring to the more obscure names that have been arising recently. A very small percentage of us have heard of Childish Gambino. The first I heard of him was when he featured on a Leona Lewis song in 2012 but I immediately forgot of him again and only briefly noticed him again when his Because The Internet album was released. I didn't even know he released an album last year. His work doesn't sell in the UK, how could most of us know him? And I was also meaning the entire awards in general - especially when it comes to awards outside the pop, rap and RnB awards. Country, Bluegrass, Americana? Britain doesn't get this sort of stuff. Unless the artist in question is promoted here, most of us won't know who they are. I've only heard of these names because I actively review as much music as I can but if I didn't, a lot of these names would have me scratching my head.

Obviously, when Brits are at the Grammys, we'll know who they are. But I'm talking about when they're not dominating. Which is a good 90% of the time. Like I said before, you have to be a phenomenon to get the Grammys to notice you if you're not American.