ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 14 minutes ago, Robo Ga said: Masculinity and femininity are a spectrum, it's all related to inherent sexism... aka femininity being equated to weakness, etc... It's fine to have a sexual preference for masculine or feminine guys but it's NEVER ok to discriminate gay men who act feminine. THAT is derogatory and rooted in gay self-hatred and societal homophobia. All people, regardless of where they fall on the spectrum, deserve respect. And if you are secure with yourself, it doesn't matter to you if other people are overtly feminine or masculine. The bolded is tea. Men are afraid of emasculation, femininity, weakness, etc. and its all truly rooted in sexism. What does this say about their views on actual women Maybe its pretty subconscious, but isn't most bigotry? 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bostonGUY Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 I mean I'm not into overly femme guys but they don't bother me as people. I consider myself a fair mix of both tbh. It's just personally not what I'm into for a partner. Maybe a hookup though, but I base my hookup preferences on if I find someone physically attractive or not so But shame on whoever thinks that femme guys give gays a bad name Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,289 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 20 minutes ago, M Monstre said: I don't know what his preferences are or what he likes or dislikes. If he indeed means it in that way, I vehemently disagree with that. I understand what you're saying and I completely agree. Feminine men aren't "less of a man" than masculine men, absolutely, however, I do think there is a line between having a preference and being discriminatory. I think it heavily depends on the situation and the context in which it is worded because right now, there are two different situations going on. There's the situation in which gay men are not attracted to feminine gay men, and the situation where gay men say that feminine gay men are bad for the community. In my opinion, there's a line between saying, "Oh, I'm just not attracted to you" and saying "Feminine men aren't 'man' enough." EDIT - @Robo Ga put it beautifully when he said that masculinity and femininity fall on a spectrum. People just have a preference over who they're attracted to based on that spectrum. That's not discriminatory. What is discriminatory and degrading is when you start insulting and degrading people because of how feminine or masculine they are. Of course he meant it in that way... It's what he said. In regards to you thinking there is a distinction between preference and discrimination though: When 71% of gay men say they are turned off by femme men and 41% of gay men say femme men are harmful to the gay community and give them a bad image - that's a clear indicator that people hold these particular biases when it comes to gender and gender expression due to this cis-sexist, heteronormative society. I don't really care about Bill and what Bill likes, I can't tell much from that, what I care about is the aggregate. I care about what Bill and another over 5,000+ respondents find attractive and unattractive because it means we can generalise those results and see certain societal attitudes towards particular groups of people. It's disappointing to see that society sees femme men negatively. They are seen as less attractive, as repulsive and as 'bad'. Clearly there is some cultural reason why 71% of gay men are turned off by femme men and 41% of gay men believe femme men are harmful to the reputation of the LGBT community. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagi 2,750 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 1 hour ago, GodofLove said: I’m a gay man and my preference is manly men. Femme turn me off.. because I’m gay for a reason. I want a MAN. Not a feminine man. Yeah then you probably are feminine yourself just saying Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emvee 8,826 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Can’t y’all just accept each other’s differences? Goddamn it One half complains about gay stereotypes and tropes as if being effeminate weren’t a common trait among gay men and the other half complains about masculinity, but they themselves only go for “manly men” Stop trying to control other people’s preferences and work on your own hustle. That includes how you choose to behave and who you choose to date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daenerys 6,274 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 53 minutes ago, Bio said: I'm sorry to break it it you but you don't like men, you like the idea of what masculinity is supposed to be according to society. Okay but like I said, I like what I like. I didn’t come here to put anyone down or to get attacked by all of you. I love myself a man, others are open to everything else. I’m not putting anyone down and DEFINITELY not demasculating anyone. Like i said before everyone has a right to express themselves however the hell they want. I know what I like and have been with him for 8 years and still going strong. I mean, sheesh, you guys take everything the wrong way even though I didn’t mean to come off it at all. Daenerys of the House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, The Unburnt, Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men, Queen of Meereen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake 7,385 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Some of the comments in here are disgusting. I mean damn, it's great to know just because I'm effeminate means I'm basically a piece of sh*t to the gay community. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hades 27,980 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 People read too much into everything because that's how they've learnt from society. I don't like the idea of putting men into categories like masc/fem etc. We all have our days when we feel strong and kicking ass and those days when we are more fragile and want to be in our partner's arms. What's giving people a bad name is their behaviour towards others and not what they wear or how they walk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 127,350 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Every gay guy has his own little YAAAAAAAAAS Gurl inside that going out to play from time to time.. many gays are just in a denial that she exist.. you just need to give them a mirror... masc/famme it's bullshit, all the famme that I know are more man than many masc.. So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daenerys 6,274 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Bebe said: Of course he is implying they're not true men. "Femme turn me off.. because I’m gay for a reason. I want a MAN" What else does that imply? He's gay, he wants a MAN - Femme men turn him off because they apparently don't fit the bill of being a real, or true, man. It's far more deep than preference, obviously those men who are rejecting femme men to have a preference for masculine men, but that doesn't mean that preference isn't problematic... 71% of gay men said they were turned off by femme men.... That's a crazy huge amount of gay men. This isn't some "Oh, I have this weird thing for guys with green eyes! They're so cute!" type thing - this is a majority of gay men actively repulsed by men who don't adhere to specific gender expectations... Really salty you guys are reading it the wrong way but then again I DID put the wrong words into the sentence. I have no issues with Femme men. I 1000% agree that just because someone is feminine it doesn’t make them less than a man. I mean, come on, we all share the same genitals. A man is a man no matter what (unless you’re one of my tranisitioning sisters then Yas queen) I should have said it completely different and I can’t take it back now but my own personal preference are leaned toward masculine men. I’m sorry if I offended any one of you guys or if my words got twisted however they did. I know a lot of people are still going to come for me because of whatever but I’m stepping up and apologizing for ignorantly posting without really thinking. Daenerys of the House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, The Unburnt, Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men, Queen of Meereen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 I agree with the survey. I've got no issue with effeminite men. The same way I have no issue with butch women. Im just not attracted to them. What masculine guys like myself are saying is that physical looks aren't everything. It's whats inside that counts. So please don't call us shallow. We're the complete opposite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VenusAsABoy 152 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 As a top I love feminine gays. They are so adorable come on! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlepotter 76,610 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Economy said: This! Im a pretty masculine man myself in most aspects (ppl always shocked to learn im bi). I work construction, workout hard at the gym, I whatch mostly guy stuff on tv and have a lot of R&B and Rap music etc But at the same time i have 0 issues doing stuff that isnt masculine if i so please like listening to pop music as well For instance i also prefer to order mixed drinks at the pubs or bars cuz to me it tastes better. I dont care if my friends call it “girly drinks” and I wont order whiskey I hate just to look tough Also I decided to take 1 day a week away from weight lifting to do cardio (i still weight lift 5 days a week) and I decided to do that cardio day in an RPM spinning class. Ppl say classes are for girls but i say its motivational so ppl can STFU we're gonna need receipts chaeri pls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyriverz 2,653 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 stuff like this just makes me feel even worse about being gay. thankfully, i only have straight girlfriends, who are much more open minded and empathetic then 100% of the gays i've ever met. this "community" is a glitter covered garbage bag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyriverz 2,653 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 i might go assexual this days, men can disgust me even more every single day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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