#OscarsSoStraight

[ryanripley 86,575]

3 minutes ago, CautiousLurker said:

It's cuz you linked the video... I'm ok with reading things, but clicking on something... and idk if the volume is adjusted or not, so it might be loud... it's just

you're banned from my threads  

[Supersonic 49,376]

7 minutes ago, littlepotter said:

but is that the case

In the two movies he did James Dean pretty much outplayed any male actor that has ever existed. All offense intended. Sarah Paulson was great in Carol and deserving of a "Best Female Supporting Actress" in 2016 (specifically Carol was a great critical success and was considered a shoe-in for many categories, however it was omitted from most big categories due to the film being a lesbian love story).

[Saint Laurent 4,862]

Oh god not this again.

Only 3.8% of the USA is LGBT (unbelievable I know). Granted, entertainment is an industry within which a bigger percentage of people are LGBT, but still the numbers are really low.

It's just common sense honestly, there are a lot less gay people than straight people. Therefore, there are more straight people to nominate. Therefore, straight people are A LOT more likely to win. It's nothing to do with performance or sexuality, it's completely statistical.

Also, you have to consider that sexuality in the entertainment industry is VERY fluid and there are countless numbers of actors who choose to not 'label themselves'. How do we know that a more recent winner of the awards you listed isn't one of them?

Not to mention, Sarah Paulson, an openly gay actor, absolutely stormed every award she was nominated for and completely dominated award season.

You have to also consider that we are currently in an action, big budget dominated sphere in terms of film. Many of these roles have existed for a number of years and many of them simply don't call for a stereotypically gay actor. 

Roles come and go and I'm sure the time will come for LGBT role domination, just wait your turn.

However, I'm sure everybody that suits a role gets the role. It's not like you have to put your sexuality on your resumé.

[boyerased 2,886]

Let's not make this a big issue.

I am a casual film geek, so my knowledge isn't that much to know everything there is or to know the entire history of the Oscars. But I didn't see any member of the lgbt community who are in Oscar-worthy film in a substantial role to be considered. This shouldn't be blamed at The Academy.

There still exist stereotyping and discrimination in Hollywood, that prevents many open member of the community have "substantial roles" that would be considered by The Academy. I still have faith in them that when someone who identifies with the community gives a compelling enough performance he/she will be nominated. I am not sure if this has happened before since I'm not big with the Oscars, but I doubt they intentionally avoid gay actors. Before the Academy, ask the studios and producers first.

This is just me but I don't want a token LGBT nomination just for the sake of representation. One should be included for the merits of their performance, not by their gender. For me that is equality. No pacifying. If it so happens that straight, white males delivered the best performance for that Oscar cycle, so be it.

[Earthling 3,689]

Teatime 

Hollywood is a business, they want to turn a profit and appeal to the masses.

When casting for a major film with intended wide appeal, casting directors aren't looking for openly gay actors as they fear that having the gay actors name on a poster may alienate possible ticket buyers.

And even when there are gay roles in films they usual end up going to straight actors because those actors names are still more bankable for the exact reason above. 

There's no doubt that there are many lgbt actors in Hollywood who chose to keep their sexuality under wraps for these reasons.

It's like a vicious cycle.

Now hopefully the tide is changing and I have no doubt that we'll be seeing a lot more diversity in the future. 

[LateToCult 40,896]

Mess. I thought y'all were forming a campaign saying that Oscar from The Office wasn't really gay.

[Ziggy 11,757]

Well yeah. LGBTQA is vogue but the roles aren't going to queer actors. Why? A lot of reasons. 1) They aren't as talented or perform as well. If you unpack that you get to 2) They aren't given the same opportunities to improve as their straight counterparts (remember, queer acceptance is still relatively new so it will take a little while for that to catch up with adult talent) 3) Because They aren't given the opportunities to improve they aren't as good, won't be cast, and those who are have to overcome this idea that gay actors are not as good as straight ones in casting.

 

The Oscars are really just an awards show about casting for the acting categories. Getting that clutch role that gets you Oscar exposure is key. That's why actors always thank their agents lol at a certain level all of these actors are competent enough to play these roles, it's about who can play the politics to get the right roles. Queer actors are at a disadvantage in that regard.

[sillynate 6,170]

[StrawberryBlond 14,820]

You really can't expect LGBT people to be getting acting roles left, right and centre and getting nominated left, right and centre when they only make up a small percentage of the world's population. And the Oscars are also very American focused, so it means that the American LGBT population will be taken into account the most, so we're talking even smaller numbers. There's no point crying "prejudice!" when there just aren't enough of the oppressed group to fill roles and get a spot on just five available slots. I know hanging around pop forums might lead you to believe that the whole world's LGBT but trust me, they're not. And plenty of big names hide it anyway. You can't expect equal representation when your oppressed group's numbers don't come remotely close to the dominant group's numbers. Representation isn't about "make everyone of our kind heard," it's about making your kind heard in relation to the size of your demographic. What do you want - 50% of the acting roles out there given to LGBT folk? Because that's not going to happen, there's nowhere near enough. But it would have to be as much as that to stand a chance of getting frequent nominations. If there came a time where we tried to give every oppressed minority the upper hand when it came to representation, we wouldn't have an accurate reflection of the country. No one asks why Nigeria has mostly black people in their media. No one asks why Japan has mostly Japanese people in their media. No one asks why any country in the world has mostly able bodied people in their media. And no one asks why any country in the world has mostly heterosexual cisgender people in their media (well, apart from English speaking countries, that is). The biggest demographics hold the monopoly, it's just the way the world works. It would be ludicrous to have it any other way. Representation matters and all, but it has to be equal and accurate.

[tthen 4,621]

On 9/20/2017 at 2:18 AM, Supersonic said:

LGBT actors & actresses:

Holland Taylor
Sarah Paulson
James Dean
Marlon Brando
Amber Heard
Jodie Foster
Greta Garbo
Alan Cumming
Drew Berrymore
Margaret Cho
Marlene Dietrich
Megan Fox
Angelina Jolie
Debbie Harry
Lady Gaga
Aubrey Plaza
Michelle Rodriguez
Kristen Stewart
Evan Rachel Wood
Ezra Miller
Chaz Bono
Laverne Cox

There are (and were as some of those names are no longer under the living) plenty of LGBT people acting in Hollywood.

Nobody is saying "Give them an award, they're gay!". People are saying "You are looking past the quality of work they have delivered just because they are gay, and it's unfair."

You do realize that most of these people are either TV actors, retired, or dead right?

[Regina George 59,387]

On 9/20/2017 at 1:04 AM, monster78619 said:

But is it a matter of prejudice or the possibility that none of the LGBT actors actually deserve to win or be nominated 

This X 100

[tthen 4,621]

So we're done with the so white one and now we're here? With so white I could definitely see the complaints. There were many black or hispanic or any other race roles in that respective year that deserved recognition, but I've realized that most Oscar worthy LGBT actors are all in TV or not doing film. If we're counting all categories then Sam Smith for robbing that Oscar from Gaga or Sumi Jo just happened a year ago. Just like @monster78619 said, once there are worthy LGBT roles in film then we can talk.