L'Oreal fires first trans model after white people comments

[Melech 9,900]

1 hour ago, Bebe said:

White people unfortunately do contribute to racial violence, whether they are aware or not. Obviously Jewish people don't contribute to anti-semetic violence against Jewish people, at least not on a societal level, but they can and do contribute to racial violence against African Americans. I'm sure many of the neo-nazi protesters were not too fond of gay people either, and would demonstrate violently against the LGBT community, but white LGBT people also can and do contribute to racial violence against African Americans and people of colour in general.

This has nothing to do with trying to paint white people as evil and, if you watch the lecture I posted, that's not really anybody's point. You can absolutely be a good person, a non-violent person a compassionate person, a generally tolerant person and yet still be racist and contribute to racial violence. Most of this stuff isn't conscious, it isn't explicit. These sort of discussions are really about ways in which a person's whiteness, privilege and social conditioning actively work to uphold racial structures that benefit them to the detriment of people of colour.

So we just completely ignore the fact that white supremacist especially target Jewish institutions? 

African Americans are not safe from not being anti-semitic either. Or do you believe that PoC can't be anti-semitic? 

Also the discourse on LGBT people is not fitting considering the history of Jews and White supremacists is a different one than LGBT one with white supremacists. 

[Bebe 17,289]

56 minutes ago, Melech said:

So we just completely ignore the fact that white supremacist especially target Jewish institutions? 

African Americans are not safe from not being anti-semitic either. Or do you believe that PoC can't be anti-semitic? 

Also the discourse on LGBT people is not fitting considering the history of Jews and White supremacists is a different one than LGBT one with white supremacists. 

I'm not ignoring that fact  I'm not ignoring the history of nazis, I'm not ignoring the anti-semetic chants they yelled. These neo-nazi's were undoubtledly motivated, in a significant way, by anti-semitism. I'm just not ignoring the other dimensions of the story - that they were actively protesting the removal of a statue depicting a confederate general who fought to maintain slavery of African Americans, that they yelled racial slurs including the 'n-word' at african american counter protesters.

Like I said, I'm not saying that Jewish people, on a societal level, work towards anti-semitism. But they can and do contribute to racial violence against African Americans. There was a very obvious, overt and strong anti- African American racist element to those demonstrations and white people, including Jewish white people, no doubt contribute to racial violence in the U.S not only in this instance, but in many other instances.

White people contribute to racial violence by protecting and upholding racist institutions and power structures that incarcerate African American men at a far higher rate, that lead to police officers shooting unarmed black men dead in the street. White Jewish people uphold these power structures, like other white people, even while dealing with their own forms of oppression and violence through anti-semitism.

White women work to uphold racist power structures that lead to less opportunities given to people of colour, even as they face discrimination and fight to dismantle sexist power structures that deny them opportunities.

Being a part of an oppressed group does not prevent you from upholding power structures that benefit yourself above another oppressed group.


Of course African Americans can be anti-semitic - have I suggested otherwise?  

[Oriane 23,030]

On 03/09/2017 at 7:47 PM, CrazyMonster said:

Lmao but saying all men suck is not a generalization. It only target men who suck.

Well ALL men suck means ALL men suck.

[The Child 18,997]

1 hour ago, Oriane said:

Well ALL men suck means ALL men suck.

Yeah it's true but when girls say that they don't mean all men suck.

[Earthling 3,737]

15 hours ago, Goosey said:

You're victim-blaming. 

am I? 

[Goosey 3,017]

22 minutes ago, Earthling said:

am I? 

L'Oréal can't be expected to keep people who make public racist statements on their payroll. But you blame L'Oréal for firing her anyways? They didn't want this.

[Earthling 3,737]

3 minutes ago, Goosey said:

L'Oréal can't be expected to keep people who make public racist statements on their payroll. But you blame L'Oréal for firing her anyways? They didn't want this.

L'Oreal isn't the victim here, she is. 

She wasn't being racist, she was starting a dialogue . 

L'Oreal are the ones being racist here. If it were a cis white model making posts like that on Facebook they would have probably turned a blind eye. 

L'Oreal only wants to appear diverse on a superficial level but won't condone the freedom of speech their poc model has every right to have.