Guardian: As Gaga once was, Taylor is now viewed as a snake

[monsterdino 31,997]

6 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

Justin still gets hit after hit after hit. If a female pop star had done even a tenth of what he's done their career would be OVER irrevocably.

u heared of Rihanna right?

[Paper Gangsta 6,693]

17 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

What.... no ones dislikes Taylor because she's a woman... people dislike her because she lied in public to put down Kanye West, and bullies Katy Perry by abandoning her own promises and values to release all her music on Spotify/streaming right when Katy's album dropped. 

none of these is true

[CautiousLurker 19,476]

Someone talks **** about a man - he deserved it

Someone talks **** about a woman - MISOGYNY 

[Whispering 18,865]

15 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

When the gp turns of Justin Bieber or Ed Sheeran, it's not bc they hate men...

The article was more about the unequal standards placed on women vs men. That played out in the election and plays out in the professional and entertainment world. 

[Ziggy 11,902]

Just now, SlaeUrAnus said:

Female artists have always been subjected to scrutiny by the public though. The only male artist who was constantly scrutinised by the GP/media was MJ.

Maybe recently lol how about every black male musician ever getting seconds when it came to the music industry. They had to start a whole freaking genre (Motown) to get theirs and it STILL got taken from them and the king to rise out of it (MJ) was struck down and vilified. Let's not even get into how Elvis up and stole rock and roll and work from black musicians...

my point is that while misogyny is certainly alive and vibrant, men have also had their share, just maybe not as many white men. I can count a total of 0 Asian famous musicians in the west, for example (except Yo Yo Ma). So I see it as more complex than men vs. women. This is an issue that is intersectional and requires a lot of care to discuss effectively.

[Ziggy 11,902]

3 minutes ago, Torturo said:

none of these is true

This is exactly why I dislike her, actually. That and her piss poor, "take it when I want it" feminism. Trust me, he ain't alone in his statements.

[britneyspears 497]

Look What You Made Me Do is not a feminist song - not even remotely. For as long as Taylor keeps pushing her white agenda, she will never be a feminist. Stop creating a narrative where it doesn't exist.

[Whispering 18,865]

Just now, Ziggy said:

Maybe recently lol how about every black male musician ever getting seconds when it came to the music industry. They had to start a whole freaking genre (Motown) to get theirs and it STILL got taken from them and the king to rise out of it (MJ) was struck down and vilified. Let's not even get into how Elvis up and stole rock and roll and work from black musicians...

my point is that while misogyny is certainly alive and vibrant, men have also had their share, just maybe not as many white men. I can count a total of 0 Asian famous musicians in the west, for example (except Yo Yo Ma). So I see it as more complex than men vs. women. This is an issue that is intersectional and requires a lot of care to discuss effectively.

Minorities, yes, you are correct...and women are in the minority category. 

[Paper Gangsta 6,693]

1 minute ago, Ziggy said:

This is exactly why I dislike her, actually. That and her piss poor, "take it when I want it" feminism. Trust me, he ain't alone in his statements.

im not talking about that, I'm talking about Kanye situation, Katy situation and Spotify situation

[pie-kun 1,765]

This article was nauseating to read. I think even Taylor herself would be blushing at how hard this author is trying to paint Taylor as a victim of an unjust society.

-Admits she lied during the Kardashian/Kanye saga, but then says we don't know what really went down and it might have all just been a publicity stunt. Then later on speculates that she only lied because she was terrified after all the "hate" she gets.

-Literally tries to compare Hillary Clinton and Taylor Swift and subtly compares people criticizing Taylor to Donald Trump. Implies people are hating on Taylor for no reason other than misogyny even after the author pointed out several specific things that she did that attracted criticism. 

-Claims that no one paid attention to her victory in her sexual assault trial even though it was covered by literally every major news source as a top story when it happened. Says Twitter was silent about it despite evidence to the contrary

-Says Taylor is "universally despised" despite her being one of the most successful pop stars, having numerous hit singles, albums and tours and being mostly popular with the GP.

I'm sorry, but any sympathy I might have had for the author's argument was lost in their hyperbole. 

[CannaeDrive 3,412]

This is bullsh!t, read this one that is more on point:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2017/08/28/taylor-swifts-look-what-you-made-me-do-video-isnt-smart-its-just-petty/607805001/

That Swift girl is only doing what she's always done, dwelling on ridiculous non-issues of a privileged white girl, the trivial dramas of schoolkids level and other laughable tricks coming from a mundane mind. Here she thrives on the shallowness and pettiness of contemporary social media culture, to get the attention of the impressionable minds of her target audience.  She is still as bland as ever as a musician and mediocre singer, resorting to pettiness and childish narcissism  is also no substitute for the lack of talent and artistic vision.

[Ziggy 11,902]

Just now, Whispering said:

Minorities, yes, you are correct...and women are in the minority category. 

I know, I just mean that you need to expand the scope from broadly looking at women vs men and observe how that looks given any number of demographics. For instance, a *strong* argument can be made that white women are afforded more privilege than black men or that black men are afforded more than black women. This isn't meant to say that the plight of all women shouldn't be addressed, but that it's not as simple as man vs. woman. That's working within the parameters of extremes on an issue that requires nuanced discussion.

[MJHolland 12,725]

18 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

Justin still gets hit after hit after hit. If a female pop star had done even a tenth of what he's done their career would be OVER irrevocably.

Is Taylor's song not a hit? It's breaking goddam records left and right yet someone at the Guardian is complaining about the patriarchy? What??? 

In what was is the Taylor backlash due to the fact she's a woman?! She over exposed herself last album and then did sh*tty things before this release. What are y'all smoking?

13 minutes ago, SlaeUrAnus said:

Female artists have always been subjected to scrutiny by the public though. One of the few male artists who was constantly scrutinised by the GP/media was MJ.

Whaaaaaaaaaat 

ANYONE in the public eye is highly scrutinized...

In what was is Taylor being targeted because she's a woman?! 

[Whispering 18,865]

Just now, Ziggy said:

I know, I just mean that you need to expand the scope from broadly looking at women vs men and observe how that looks given any number of demographics. For instance, a *strong* argument can be made that white women are afforded more privilege than black men or that black men are afforded more than black women. This isn't meant to say that the plight of all women shouldn't be addressed, but that it's not as simple as man vs. woman. That's working within the parameters of extremes on an issue that requires nuanced discussion.

Of course. No one is denying that minorities have had to fight for relevance, recognition and rights and continue to do so. That's not what this article is about, though. It isn't saying that this particular brand of standards means that there aren't other problems when it comes to other minority groups. One issue doesn't discount all other issues! 

[Renly 343]

15 minutes ago, monsterdino said:

u heared of Rihanna right?

???????