Anyone else who can't stand Beyoncé?

[Buddy 5,686]

She's an excellent performer but the fact that she doesn't talk or give interviews irritates me

It's obvious that she's not real, she's a manufactured illusion

[NCgaga 4,322]

She is a good singer and a great performer. However, there is nothing really original about her. I found her Lemonade visuals to be the best she has ever had. Until then, she has never really pushed any boundaries. Her vocals are good, and she has great technique. However, she is not the vocalist her fans claim she is. She has not produced a hit single since 2010 I believe, but her albums are hits. 

 

I will say Gaga had her shook back in 2009. Beyonce really had to revamp and re-image and even change her sound to keep up with Gaga. I will say they are the top female performers currently, and they should be. 

[Jed 7,716]

13 hours ago, drinkmytears said:

...of course. Nobody can have an opinion on her. I knew the first post would be something like this.

again...why?

dude literally half this site despises her so yet ANOTHER person bringing it up is gonna get reactions

[JohnWayne92 2,162]

Personally, i have loved her since Destinys Child, but i dont think she is very good anymore. I agree with everything that you said, including the charts. You have to make music worth listening to, regardless to if you want to be "true to who you are," or not. Also, i really feel like she is fake now. Like, she is trying so hard to have a ghetto pass. 

[JupiterDrive 2,788]

YAAAS i hate her

[Star 4,409]

I don't hate her. She is great performer but sometimes she fall but that is okay, no one is perfect. She is so lucky to have amazing PR and superb teams which helps her image. A LOT! 

The reason I sometimes dislike her is because:

Her Fans:
They are annoying pests needed to be exterminated so badly. Always attacking on other people for dis-justifying their opinion on her, see: this thread especially that user. 

Medias:

They keep glorifying her image, acting like she is the second coming and kept on kissing her asses, let's not forget about VMA giving her a new nomination only just to discontinue in the next year. There are other example that I won't mention, at this point.

I used to stan her during IASF + 4. I love her ST, but the moment people started kissing her ass. I just lost the interest in ST and Lemonade. I never liked it even after hearing it again and again. 4 remained my favorite work of her. It feels more authentic than her latest project.

[Miley 5,006]

I can't stand her

[Bat 6,162]

I hate her. She is so fake. I hate her using feminist movement issues while being almost naked on stage, have Jay talk to her like a bit.ch and even call herself a bit.ch.

[Laceface 2,964]

15 hours ago, Saint Hollywood said:

Let's not even talk about Beyoncé being pretentious when Gaga has done things like this:

This is completely satirical though. It's not serious..

[StrawberryBlond 14,819]

17 hours ago, drinkmytears said:

I just disagree with you because I do think she's extremely calculated in her approach to interview and social media. When's the last time she just did a little candid interview with a magazine? Or went on the Today show or something like that? She doesn't anymore, which in my opinion makes her seem a little less human. Her social media clearly has some sort of artistic director, and its like we are seeing the life she wants to portray- not her real life.

That's exactly it. It just feels like she's locked up in her Hollywood Hills mansion now and is too good to fraternise with us mere mortals. But when you sell as much as her, you really shouldn't stay this cut off. Reclusive artists tend to be the ones who don't sell much, hence, they don't feel the need to be in the public's faces all the time as the majority aren't interested anyway. But Beyonce? She's got big demand for anything she puts her name to. I understand wanting to keep your private life private (though spilling all on her album kinda defeats that point) but not even an interview to discuss your new album? It all leads me to believe that she can't be that involved in the writing and the stuff she sings about is either exaggerated or made up, which would make probing interview questions a bit troublesome. You can tell how involved an artist is from how eager they are to talk indepth about their album. The ones who get ghostwriters and suchlike either have one of those interviews where very little is asked about the music or don't do them at all.

14 hours ago, KingRedd said:

What other woman can have a thread made about how she is overrated on another woman's fansite about every other week? Bad Bitch Bey...

Are you suggesting that females can't criticise one another? That it goes against feminism or something?

13 hours ago, thefamegangsta said:

1. Is that her fault tho? why isn''t this thread pointed at the Hive/stans, not the one they hype up?

2. Are instruments required to be a legendary performer? Like fr, there's really no one on her level of singing/dancing/presentation.

3. We should all know what too much media exposure does to an artist...she's smart to keep to herself.

1. Because she creates that hype. The SB was one of many things that she was doing throughout 2013 in the run-up to the surprise release. It was all the other stuff she was doing that year that helped the album sell so much. It was to remind the public how good she was, so they'd buy her new album without question. 4 flopping really scared her. Not even having one single go top ten in the US meant she realised that she wasn't a single seller anymore and giving people too many tasters of her new music pre-album wasn't the best way to get sales. So, she came up with this surprise release hoping that the gimmick would make people buy it. She hyped up Lemonade more by having a feature on the SB with a clip of a new song, put said new song in a private YouTube video, put out a visual trailer for the album and put a billboard of herself on the NASDAQ in Times Square the day before release. This is how she works - vague, cryptic messages and exclusives to create hype. She mentions how she's a perfect goddess in her albums as well, hoping that repetition of the phrases she wants associated with her will eventually become associated with her. She's pulling the strings and getting us to believe the image of her she wants us to believe. It's brainwashing and mind control in the most mainstream form.

2. No, instruments are not required to be a legendary performer. But they can help. This is why I think Gaga is better than her as a performer because she's got the full package. Not many female singers can sing, dance and play instruments. There's always one component missing, even in Beyonce's case. Even those who can do all three, like Taylor Swift, isn't as good because she's not a gifted singer and dancer. Gaga can do all these things well, which really boosts her up. I think the best artists are the ones who can do everything well. Doesn't mean everyone else is bad, they're just not as good.

3. Keeping yourself too hidden from the media can also damage your career. Look at Xtina. She completely ostricised herself from the media in lengthy breaks between albums and it brought her sales spiralling downward. Even now, the only thing that she does to keep herself relevant is The Voice and an occasional collab on someone else's song. I feel like she vanished after 2012. Lana's sales have also gone down since she put a halt on promotion and touring after her debut. And never underestimate how not doing promo in certain countries can bring your sales down. Gaga has struggled for relevancy in Australia when she neglected them from AP and onwards. Lana's debut did amazingly in France and Germany but she struggled after that when she restricted herself to America. The UK supported their home-grown Cher Lloyd, but when she moved to America to further her career there and never came back, the UK public dumped her. I'm starting to think that Beyonce could go the same way if she keeps neglecting the rest of the world outside America. The rare time that she does do promo, it's always American promo. She hasn't done a UK promo performance since 2011. She hasn't toured Asia since the I Am... tour. Is it any wonder that her UK album sales have never reached the heights that they have since Sasha Fierce? Is it any wonder that her music no longer sells in Asia? I was shocked when I looked up her UK sales figures. 4, Beyonce and Lemonade combined have only sold just over 1.4 million here. Her last 3 albums combined have sold over 5.3 million in America with 4 alone outselling the UK's total sales with 1.5 million. The future doesn't look bright for her future sales at this rate. That's the price of neglecting the public.

13 hours ago, Ziggy said:

I think with most of her music, it needs to be be contextualized as it largely exists in black culture and pulls from it heavily (flawless, for example, as black women have historically been denied honor or respect for their hard work. Look at Hidden Figures for an example).

See, I don't think saying it's rooted in black culture gives it much of an excuse. Black singers, including females, have never been more praised than they are now. I don't think Beyonce's ever felt like she's been undermined for her hard work. Her achievements outstrip most white females accomplishments. If anything, critics overrate black musicians more than they ever have before. Personally, I think that Flawless is only empowering if you actually have confidence in yourself to begin with.

13 hours ago, Ferrer Zorola said:

I honestly think race has a lot to do with her popularity. She has this 'shield' against media and criticism and if someone speaks their mind they're afraid of being called racist.

Totally agree. I never had problems with dissecting her music until these days. Now it's a case of "white person being critical of a black person's artistic output. That can only mean one thing..." It's ruining musical integrity. I think critics are afraid to give a bad review to a black artist now. I can't remember the last time I saw a truly negative reception for a black artist's album which is odd because there's so much mumble rapping and weird alternative hip hop going on now. Incoherence, pretentiousness and madness is the name of the game. The quality of urban music has gone right down. Rap now just can't touch the 90's golden age. I don't know what the critics today are hearing. We hear all the time about how rap hasn't been good since the 90's, yet critics keep ranking the albums like it's the 90's. Makes no sense.

11 hours ago, JohnWayne92 said:

Also, i really feel like she is fake now. Like, she is trying so hard to have a ghetto pass. 

That's the way I feel as well. Maybe this was something she was just repressing as her dad apparently didn't ever want her to swear on her albums, he liked to keep things PG to ensure big sales and a good reputation. But once he was no longer her manager and in control, she maybe wanted to rebel and make a point of being an independent woman, pardon the pun. But still, it was weird to hear her go from classy sexuality in previous albums to explicitly sexual and swearing like a sailor. When you get a personality 180 like that, it's hard not to consider it a bit fake. Let's be real, people had been saying for years that Rihanna was starting to beat Beyonce at her own game and then suddenly, Beyonce gets more explicit, becomes cooler because that's what you have to do for success. It doesn't exactly seem like a coincidence.

[Ziggy 11,755]

39 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

That's exactly it. It just feels like she's locked up in her Hollywood Hills mansion now and is too good to fraternise with us mere mortals. But when you sell as much as her, you really shouldn't stay this cut off. Reclusive artists tend to be the ones who don't sell much, hence, they don't feel the need to be in the public's faces all the time as the majority aren't interested anyway. But Beyonce? She's got big demand for anything she puts her name to. I understand wanting to keep your private life private (though spilling all on her album kinda defeats that point) but not even an interview to discuss your new album? It all leads me to believe that she can't be that involved in the writing and the stuff she sings about is either exaggerated or made up, which would make probing interview questions a bit troublesome. You can tell how involved an artist is from how eager they are to talk indepth about their album. The ones who get ghostwriters and suchlike either have one of those interviews where very little is asked about the music or don't do them at all.

Are you suggesting that females can't criticise one another? That it goes against feminism or something?

1. Because she creates that hype. The SB was one of many things that she was doing throughout 2013 in the run-up to the surprise release. It was all the other stuff she was doing that year that helped the album sell so much. It was to remind the public how good she was, so they'd buy her new album without question. 4 flopping really scared her. Not even having one single go top ten in the US meant she realised that she wasn't a single seller anymore and giving people too many tasters of her new music pre-album wasn't the best way to get sales. So, she came up with this surprise release hoping that the gimmick would make people buy it. She hyped up Lemonade more by having a feature on the SB with a clip of a new song, put said new song in a private YouTube video, put out a visual trailer for the album and put a billboard of herself on the NASDAQ in Times Square the day before release. This is how she works - vague, cryptic messages and exclusives to create hype. She mentions how she's a perfect goddess in her albums as well, hoping that repetition of the phrases she wants associated with her will eventually become associated with her. She's pulling the strings and getting us to believe the image of her she wants us to believe. It's brainwashing and mind control in the most mainstream form.

2. No, instruments are not required to be a legendary performer. But they can help. This is why I think Gaga is better than her as a performer because she's got the full package. Not many female singers can sing, dance and play instruments. There's always one component missing, even in Beyonce's case. Even those who can do all three, like Taylor Swift, isn't as good because she's not a gifted singer and dancer. Gaga can do all these things well, which really boosts her up. I think the best artists are the ones who can do everything well. Doesn't mean everyone else is bad, they're just not as good.

3. Keeping yourself too hidden from the media can also damage your career. Look at Xtina. She completely ostricised herself from the media in lengthy breaks between albums and it brought her sales spiralling downward. Even now, the only thing that she does to keep herself relevant is The Voice and an occasional collab on someone else's song. I feel like she vanished after 2012. Lana's sales have also gone down since she put a halt on promotion and touring after her debut. And never underestimate how not doing promo in certain countries can bring your sales down. Gaga has struggled for relevancy in Australia when she neglected them from AP and onwards. Lana's debut did amazingly in France and Germany but she struggled after that when she restricted herself to America. The UK supported their home-grown Cher Lloyd, but when she moved to America to further her career there and never came back, the UK public dumped her. I'm starting to think that Beyonce could go the same way if she keeps neglecting the rest of the world outside America. The rare time that she does do promo, it's always American promo. She hasn't done a UK promo performance since 2011. She hasn't toured Asia since the I Am... tour. Is it any wonder that her UK album sales have never reached the heights that they have since Sasha Fierce? Is it any wonder that her music no longer sells in Asia? I was shocked when I looked up her UK sales figures. 4, Beyonce and Lemonade combined have only sold just over 1.4 million here. Her last 3 albums combined have sold over 5.3 million in America with 4 alone outselling the UK's total sales with 1.5 million. The future doesn't look bright for her future sales at this rate. That's the price of neglecting the public.

See, I don't think saying it's rooted in black culture gives it much of an excuse. Black singers, including females, have never been more praised than they are now. I don't think Beyonce's ever felt like she's been undermined for her hard work. Her achievements outstrip most white females accomplishments. If anything, critics overrate black musicians more than they ever have before. Personally, I think that Flawless is only empowering if you actually have confidence in yourself to begin with.

Totally agree. I never had problems with dissecting her music until these days. Now it's a case of "white person being critical of a black person's artistic output. That can only mean one thing..." It's ruining musical integrity. I think critics are afraid to give a bad review to a black artist now. I can't remember the last time I saw a truly negative reception for a black artist's album which is odd because there's so much mumble rapping and weird alternative hip hop going on now. Incoherence, pretentiousness and madness is the name of the game. The quality of urban music has gone right down. Rap now just can't touch the 90's golden age. I don't know what the critics today are hearing. We hear all the time about how rap hasn't been good since the 90's, yet critics keep ranking the albums like it's the 90's. Makes no sense.

That's the way I feel as well. Maybe this was something she was just repressing as her dad apparently didn't ever want her to swear on her albums, he liked to keep things PG to ensure big sales and a good reputation. But once he was no longer her manager and in control, she maybe wanted to rebel and make a point of being an independent woman, pardon the pun. But still, it was weird to hear her go from classy sexuality in previous albums to explicitly sexual and swearing like a sailor. When you get a personality 180 like that, it's hard not to consider it a bit fake. Let's be real, people had been saying for years that Rihanna was starting to beat Beyonce at her own game and then suddenly, Beyonce gets more explicit, becomes cooler because that's what you have to do for success. It doesn't exactly seem like a coincidence.

I'm not saying contextualizing it in the black experience makes her immune to criticism, just that I think that needs to be kept in mind when critiquing her work and that if you aren't black being aware that you may not be able to pick up on everything going on there as it isn't your experience. To me, I appreciate braggadocious behavior in her music because you see every male black musician under the sun playing it up (her husband included) and bragging about their game or their wealth. Well, as you pointed out, she can outsell almost any of them several times over. It's empowering in that it gives a black woman a position of status otherwise only afforded to black men. She's turning the game on the players and the thugs. So when she says "a diva is a female version of a hustler" she's taking an otherwise demeaning gendered term and assigning it the same power imbibed in a different gender term. It's like, "oh, I'm a diva? Nah, I'm a hustler."

When I say that the work of black women has been undervalued, I'm talking about it being undervalued by both white people and black men. Just undervalued in general and I personally don't think she's always speaking exclusively to her work, though I do think that as a woman she (and other women, Gaga included) has to work a lot harder than a man does to get recognition in the industry, but the work of women (black women in particular it seems more nowadays) in general. Regardless of how well received their material is, for women especially, it's about a lot more than just the material or work being done.

My point is, I agree with you that it doesn't make her immune, just that blackness needs to be considered as it does permeate her work and has since before the self titled and Lemonade. And that something that may appear one way to someone may actually just be out of context and to criticize it without context is doing the work and artist a disservice.

[lost in limbo 6,035]

Tbh I agree. I was a stan until recently, but I just got full of her bullsh*t. Why? All the reasons you listed.

Her music is good, her perfomances are good, but thats it. Good. Gaga bleeds, vomits, has amazing props, amazing cheorographies, talent, message, creativity and all that takes to be a Queen. 

Now that I've unstanned, people that are talking to me about Beyoncé are like "Why did u unstan? She's Beyoncé, she's the queen!" and I'll be like "Why is she the queen? Give me a motive she's better than artists like Lady Gaga" and they're like "Dude, she's Beyoncé, duuhh" or mention the Superbowl and I'll just roll my eyes and change conversation.

I'm so sick of her tbh, Gaga deserves that title more than she does. And before u say "ohh you're biased cuz you're a Gaga stan", let's not. I have the right to my opinion, regardless of who I stan or don't stan. Bye.

[The Child 18,997]

23 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Ever since she went solo, I couldn't stand her. She betrayed her DC bandmates the minute she got a sniff of success. I think it was always her intention actually. DC was just a vehicle to get her started, following the Diana Ross model. She's been used to having everything her own way what with her dad being in charge from the beginning, you can see how she was taking the reins with the whole DC thing and being the one everyone focused on and adored. Since she went solo, its been nothing but an endless round of stolen ideas, co-opting social movements, scandals for attention and general ego-stroking. The whole surprise album dropping is something I got bored of right from the first go. Her need to inform the world "Drop everything and buy my album. Yes, I know I haven't given you any tasters of what it's like to see if it's worth buying, but you've got to buy it anyway because I tell you to." Her need to keep her music protected so that she gets maximum sales and interest (though never as much as those who don't use this restrictive model, funnily enough) is so egotistical, I can't even. How people keep on pouring money into her empire, I will never know. Her husband has recently got just as bad. Between the two of them, they genuinely think they're superior over everyone else.

She generates and demands that hype herself. That's why she surprise releases albums. She gets a reputation as the queen of hype. It's the drill now - whenever Beyonce releases an album, drop everything and pay attention. The reveal of her babies is also based around hype. She wants herself to be thought of as a perfect queen, which is why she repeatedly says words to this effect in her songs. Her fans internalise it and parrot it back. Personally, I find artists who refer to themselves as the best to be super off-putting. Like Gaga once said, "I don't want to be your queen, I want to be your friend." There's nothing I can relate to about Beyonce. She's too perfect and private for that. She comes off as humble and grateful when she speaks because she's fake. She wants to be both humble and a goddess simultaneously. She wants it all. Always has. I think her words in her songs, her betrayal of her DC bandmates and how she never associated with her husband's friend's wife tells me all I need to know about who the true Beyonce is, as opposed to the sweet one in interviews.

I'm not asking her to be self-depracting, just ease off on the references to perfection and egotistical nonsense. Normal, humble people don't feel the need to call themselves perfect because they don't think they're that good. But then again, people who feel the need to go around bragging like they're the best tend to have self esteem problems, it's all bravado and the shy ones actually have more confidence than the outspoken ones. We don't all "feel ourselves" once in a while, that's the whole point of being normal. When we know we have flaws, we feel reluctant to claim otherwise. People who do get looked down upon for it because no one's perfect, so what gives this person the right to act like they're the exception? And the idea that the Girls Tyme was humbled by the experience was not the perception I got from that clip. It just basically said: "We were so much better than Skeleton Crew and were robbed of our rightful win, but haha, now one of it's members is the biggest female artist in the world! In your face, Skeleton Crew! Sucks to be nobodies like you!" Utter arrogance. I would be furious if I were a member of that band seeing that message get reinforced all these years later. That should have been bad karma for Beyonce right there but she just got bigger. And yeah, having a big ego is a part of hip hop culture but it definitely is one of the downsides of the culture. And Beyonce isn't even hip hop. That would involve rapping. Which means that if she were a rapper, at least she'd have an excuse. But as an RnB singer, she therefore should be just as humble as every other artist tries to be.

Lmao that's some dedication. Writing a long ass rant about someone you don't like.

[lost in limbo 6,035]

2 minutes ago, CrazyMonster said:

Lmao that's some dedication. Writing a long ass rant about someone you don't like.

Last time I checked people still had a right to express their opinions on something they like\don't like.

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