Sanders, Dems introduce $15 minimum wage bill

[CommonWhiteGirl 1,039]

16 minutes ago, SEANGT said:

these are both opinion articles. I posted actual results of a $15 wage. lol. 

Sorry, here's some real facts 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/02/19/seattles-15-minimum-wage-jobs-down-unemployment-up-this-isnt-working-is-it/#3df7ae362b5c

[CommonWhiteGirl 1,039]

1 minute ago, PartySick said:

So they're using the money anyway is what I'm hearing

Instead of paying it into the federal government to give to their employees, why not cut out the middle man and just give them all raises until they can live on what they work for?

Because that's not how taxes work...

[Gaga Monster 13,001]

37 minutes ago, SEANGT said:

it would take yearrrrsss to get there through stages. I've lived on my own on low wage jobs, and I'd still barely make it at $15. It needs to happen. It would be fine. 

No it wouldn't. if the minimum wage was raised to $15, I would have to fire employees. I barely make a profit myself because of regulations, taxes, and fees. I also spoke with other small business owners who hire a lot of employees and most of them agreed they would have to scale back on labour. You are talking about small business owners losing thousands of dollars

[Luc 4,776]

35 minutes ago, holy scheisse said:

Will everything just become more expensive and jobs be cut if this happens?

The US is at 4% unemployment. That means that it's very, very difficult to replace someone. So no, this wouldn't really affect jobs that much. If everything will become more expensive, I don't know. I think a minimum wage hike could definitely affect inflation.

 

41 minutes ago, Colemonster86 said:

No, if you've ever taken an econ class EVER you would know that $15 an hour is a really bad idea. 

 

And Just an FYI there is no federal minimum wage in the US it's solely based on what the states set, but the federal government bribed the states to set it at $7.25 as the bottom line.  

A $15 minimum wage would cost 300k jobs. That's not that many TBH. Increasing the living standards for so many people is worth it the small job cost. At the same time productivity will rise significantly, because in some sectors it's just too difficult to hire someone at such a high cost, and they'll get machines instead, which can be a good thing when the country is at full employment (which means that it's pretty easy to find a new job).

[Whispering 18,865]

8 minutes ago, Gaga Monster said:

As a business owner and friend of multiple business owners, if the minimum wage raises to $15 we would be forced to fire employees.  We make barely a profit now because of high taxes, fees, and regulations. Ridiculous bill, this bill will kill businesses and employees will be fired

You own a business? You were just talking about your English and Social Studies teacher and tests you were taking last semester. Did you drop out at Christmas and start a business? 

 

[CommonWhiteGirl 1,039]

3 minutes ago, Luc said:

A $15 minimum wage would cost 300k jobs. That's not that many TBH.

Only 300k jobs 

[MJHolland 12,725]

OK but how do they know what the best minimum wage is for the whole country? 

Yes a $15 min wage might be great in cities like Seattle or states like Vermont, but it could be deveststing for poor areas of the south (like Alabama) where small businesses can barely pay the current min wage 

1 hour ago, vivre sa vie said:

So how much is the daily wage at the momment in  the US? 

There isn't one because each state sets its own really, that's how it should be. 

This bill demonstraits a huge lack of understanding of the individuals needs of each state.

 

[Gaga Monster 13,001]

Just now, Whispering said:

You own a business? You were just talking about your English and Social Studies teacher and tests you were taking last semester. Did you drop out at Christmas and start a business? 

 

No, I am actually a successful business owner. I took multiple business classes and of course SS and English to help improve writing skills and learn about History because I love Politics. A $15 Minimum Wage will kills jobs. Small businesses will be forced to fire employees because we already pay high taxes, fees, regulations, and of course rent.

[Luc 4,776]

36 minutes ago, Colemonster86 said:

I see what you're trying to say but you have to take into account that Australian currency and American currency are completely different. The Australian dollar is worth less than the American dollar. Also, McDonalds, WalMart, ect. aren't jobs that are supposed to provide you with enough money to provide a generous lifestyle with your family, they're meant as an entry level job that provides teenagers with experience. The reason CEO's make so much money is because they worked their a**es to to get in the position that they're in and ultimately they have to make the tougher decisions in order to keep businesses up and running giving people jobs. 

Is that why all of these stores/chains are open during school times? Maybe Republicans should forbid that if what you're saying is true!

 

The truth is, there's many people who are simply not capable of doing a job that requires a lot of thinking. Factories and small services are intended for those people. Saying that everyone would have a college degree in a perfect society is true, but you know that's not happening. The truth is that there's plenty of mothers and fathers who fail to make enough money for themselves, while CEOs and shareholders of the very same company continue to get more and more (undeservedly!)

Maybe a maximum wage isn't a bad idea after all.

[Gaga Monster 13,001]

Just now, Colemonster86 said:

Only 300k jobs 

I laughed at that too. It will be millions of jobs 100%. Small business owners are already killed with regulations, fees, rent, and of course taxes. We have trouble ourselves getting a good profit and fair share, we would be forced to fire employees and that will be country wide. 

[MJHolland 12,725]

5 minutes ago, Luc said:

The US is at 4% unemployment. That means that it's very, very difficult to replace someone. So no, this wouldn't really affect jobs that much. If everything will become more expensive, I don't know. I think a minimum wage hike could definitely affect inflation.

 

A $15 minimum wage would cost 300k jobs. That's not that many TBH. Increasing the living standards for so many people is worth it the small job cost. At the same time productivity will rise significantly, because in some sectors it's just too difficult to hire someone at such a high cost, and they'll get machines instead, which can be a good thing when the country is at full employment (which means that it's pretty easy to find a new job).

The unemployment rate is not as simple as just saying 4% 

We have record low workforce participation, which greatly has underestimated the actual unemployment rate. 

 

[CommonWhiteGirl 1,039]

1 minute ago, Luc said:

CEOs and shareholders of the very same company continue to get more and more (undeservedly!

I'm going to refer you to the posts I made about the "greedy" CEO's of businesses being the produces of MILLIONS of jobs and the fact that they donate millions upon millions of dollars to charities and pay millions of dollars in taxes to provide financial assistance to these families that are in need 

[Whispering 18,865]

46 minutes ago, Gaga Monster said:

No, I am actually a successful business owner. I took multiple business classes and of course SS and English to help improve writing skills and learn about History because I love Politics. A $15 Minimum Wage will kills jobs. Small businesses will be forced to fire employees because we already pay high taxes, fees, regulations, and of course rent.

A year and a half ago you were in high school. You were looking for quotes for your yearbook and "writing for your school paper". For the next eighteen months, all that you talked about were classes that you were taking. Who calls a college level History class "Social Studies"? Did you start a small business in your eighteen months of college or are you working at Daddy's business? (Or referring to that all along) I do know a couple of people who had something like a very small landscaping operation ( with 3 people) by the time they were Sophomores in college. I also know a girl that got a small clothing shop business given to her by her Daddy because she couldn't handle the classes. 

[Luc 4,776]

1 minute ago, Colemonster86 said:

I'm going to refer you to the posts I made about the "greedy" CEO's of businesses being the produces of MILLIONS of jobs and the fact that they donate millions upon millions of dollars to charities and pay millions of dollars in taxes to provide financial assistance to these families that are in need 

These people didn't create any jobs  these jobs would've existed otherwise.

 

Of course, some CEOs (like Bill Gates) aren't greedy at all. They see that they, in hindsight, don't need billions of dollars. However, most CEOs - especially those on top of banks - are easily replaceable and don't contribute to society and thus do not deserve a wage higher than, say, 500k. Hell, some of them earn over 10 million. You're not going to tell me that these people literally worked 10000 times harder, because that's impossible! These people were born with privilege - they had their daddy's contacts helping out, they had daddy's life lessons helping out and they were born with higher intelligence. Did they work 10000 hours a day instead of 1 hour a day? That's impossible. I'm not going to deny that they worked hard to get where they are, but they sure as hell aren't skilled enough to be making such a shitload of money and they sure as hell didn't work hard enough to be given such a wage.

 

Now let's talk about investors and shareholders. If you have 5 million dollars invested with a 3% dividend, you can basically sit all day enjoying your life while earning 150k a year. Did these people work hard? Contribute to society? Did they deserve such a high reward? Because that's where a lot of the money goes to, rather than those who work for the company at the bottom.

 

 

but back on topic, nobody deserves to live in poverty. A 15$ minimum wage might be a little too high, but $12 or $13 should definitely be considered in 4 years from now (unless there's another crisis, yuck).

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48 minutes ago, Colemonster86 said:

 The reason CEO's make so much money is because they worked their a**es to to get in the position that they're in and ultimately they have to make the tougher decisions in order to keep businesses up and running giving people jobs. 

Wow....if you honestly believe that....