Emmanuel Macron wins french presidency

[ShockPop 7,747]

1 minute ago, TheCure said:

Seriously?  Literally the home of the English language.  

The English language is a mix of various dialects, but essentially, yes. Going to London you will have trouble communicating with locals due to language barriers.

Get on Google Street view if you'd like proof of how non-English it is. There's no attempt to be involved in British life at all.

[TheCure 125]

Just now, Florian said:

That's what you SAID. You complained about "muslim birthrate" you're litteraly saying thousands of newborns are an issue because some may become terrorists  

I said that in the context of France becoming an Islamic nation.  At that point the whole political structure could change.  I don't think that is what French people want.

[TheCure 125]

Just now, ShockPop said:

The English language is a mix of various dialects, but essentially, yes. Going to London you will have trouble communicating with locals due to language barriers.

Get on Google Street view if you'd like proof of how non-English it is. There's no attempt to be involved in British life at all.

I was there in 2003.  I guess things have changed a lot since then.

[ShockPop 7,747]

Just now, OliverViennese said:

Who told you this lie?!?!?!?!

I worked for the department for work and pensions from 2008 to 2010. We had to use interpreters from a company called "the big word". It's a statistic.

[Robagaga 9,345]

11 minutes ago, ShockPop said:

English is the third most common language of London.

Let that sink in.

Oh wow, Oh wow, wow, wow, I'm sorry, but this isnt even CLOSE to being true check your sources before making a statement like that 

I was born in London and go there once every 2 months, I have no problem communicating with anyone. I havent really gotten involved in this thread because people are entitled to their opinions but when a falsehood is thrown out there I have to intervene. 

[OliverViennese 1,164]

Just now, ShockPop said:

I worked for the department for work and pensions from 2008 to 2010. We had to use interpreters from a company called "the big word". It's a statistic.

Yeah, i'd like to see that statistic, because every statistic I've found has English as the most common language by far. So yup. Receipts please, before you continue spreading this tragic bullshit.

+ London has been a melting pot for a looooong time. Longer than 2003, so the things discussed are just absurd. 

[xoxo cupcakke 4,781]

23 minutes ago, kyanewest said:

That's why I think you have to make an effort to integrate into a country. You come into a country you have to respect its rules, its values, if you don't like democracy go somewhere with less democracy. If you wish the country was highly religious, move to Turkey, or Saudi Arabia, or any country you look up to, if you hate capitalism go somewhere with  communism, it's really simple. 

No, it's not simple. Integration into society is not easy, especially when your society is margianalizing you to vast extremes. If you feel as if you are not wanted in your society, you will try and gravitate towards a community that understands you

On top of that, most immigrants that immigrate to most major western countries are not going to let go of their cultural values that quick. It's common, but traditions and cultures of the mother culture tend to saturate themselves with the national culture to create a new culture. That is, unless people feel that they are being highly margianallized so they retreat into themselves into their mother culture and do not wish to interact with the national because they feel so unaccepted due to people like yourself that exist en mass in a country like France

Moreover, most immigrants tend to be poor and uneducated, and that makes them prime targets for conditioning by extremists. Their margianalization makes them even higher targets because who are some of these Muslims going to gravitate to: the country that promised them amnesty or financial prosperity but treats them as if they are animals because of their religion or the extremist Islamist group that promises them salvation in exchange for their support?

Obviously the latter, and it's obviously not a majority but a sizeable amount that is alarming and will continue to increase the more ostracized these people feel or become. The same thing had happened with peoples involved in the Latin American drug trade. Just look at how Pablo Escobar managed to militarize and mobilize much of the Colombian public who were feeling unwanted in Colombian society, or the Mexicans that I know, some of my own friends, family, my own parents even, that support figures like "El Chapo" Guzman because they say he is out for the poor and understands their cause. This isn't a matter of integration if the reality is that you are uneducated and margianalized by society. However, people like you will almost always NEVER get what it's like or understand why things are the way they are because you point fingers at religion instead of the societies, both Western, Near Eastern or Far Eastern, that culminated in how certain peoples will or will not function in your society

DO NOT @ ME UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY If all you're going to say is that I don't understand because I'm not French or because you want to wholeheartedly drag a religion that has been abused, just like Christianity in the past, to push unrelated ideologies into the mind of those vulnerable religious practitioners. I understand because I know what it is like to feel margianalized and that there are various factors that will influence that margianalization, but I'm conscious of this reality whereas many others do not realize their or others societal margianalization

[TheCure 125]

1 minute ago, Robagaga said:

Oh wow, Oh wow, wow, wow, I'm sorry, but this isnt even CLOSE to being true check your sources before making a statement like that 

ShockPop cited their source.  What's your counter statistic and source?

[OliverViennese 1,164]

2 minutes ago, TheCure said:

ShockPop cited their source.  What's your counter statistic and source?

Where?

 

But just in case:

http://www.lexiophiles.com/english/the-languages-of-london-a-look-at-the-worlds-most-linguistically-diverse-city "After English, Polish is London’s most spoken language, followed by Bengali, Gujarati, French, Urdu and Arabic."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/2011-census-top-20-languages-1563629

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270638/Revealed-The-language-map-England-shows-40-people-say-English-mother-tongue.html#ixzz4f5ij0tdj "Just under eight per cent of people in England and Wales said English was not their main language, rising to 22 per cent in London"

 

[Robagaga 9,345]

Just now, TheCure said:

ShockPop cited their source.  What's your counter statistic and source?

Just saying that they worked someplace doesnt qualify as a source here is a good link that explains what qualifies as a source:

http://www.library.illinois.edu/ugl/howdoi/scholarly.html

Give me a few minutes and I will find the statistics 

[TheCure 125]

1 minute ago, xoxo cupcakke said:

No, it's not simple. Integration into society is not easy, especially when your society is margianalizing you to vast extremes. If you feel as if you are not wanted in your society, you will try and gravitate towards a community that understands you

On top of that, most immigrants that immigrate to most major western countries are not going to let go of their cultural values that quick. It's common, but traditions and cultures of the mother culture tend to saturate themselves with the national culture to create a new culture. That is, unless people feel that they are being highly margianallized so they retreat into themselves into their mother culture and do not wish to interact with the national because they feel so unaccepted due to people like yourself that exist en mass in a country like France

Moreover, most immigrants tend to be poor and uneducated, and that makes them prime targets for conditioning by extremists. Their margianalization makes them even higher targets because who are some of these Muslims going to gravitate to: the country that promised them amnesty or financial prosperity but treats them as if they are animals because of their religion or the extremist Islamist group that promises them salvation in exchange for their support?

Obviously the latter, and it's obviously not a majority but a sizeable amount that is alarming and will continue to increase the more ostracized these people feel or become. The same thing had happened with peoples involved in the Latin American drug trade. Just look at how Pablo Escobar managed to militarize and mobilize much of the Colombian public who were feeling unwanted in Colombian society, or the Mexicans that I know, some of my own friends, family, my own parents even, that support figures like "El Chapo" Guzman because they say he is out for the poor and understands their cause. This isn't a matter of integration of the reality is that you are uneducated and margianalized by society. However, people like you will almost always NEVER get what it's like or understand why things are the way they are because you point fingers at religion instead of the societies, both Western, Near Eastern or Far Eastern, that culminated in how certain peoples will or will not function in your society

DO NOT @ ME UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY If all you're going to say is that I don't understand because I'm not French or because you want to wholeheartedly drag a religion that has been abused, just like Christianity in the past, to push unrelated ideologies into the mind of those vulnerable religious practitioners. I understand because I know what it is like to feel margianalized and that there are various factors that will influence that margianalization, but I'm conscious of this reality whereas many others do not realize their or others societal margianalization

I guess the difference, at least in America, was that in the past there was no welfare.  Plenty of migrants went back to their home countries because it was so hard.  The ones that stayed really wanted to become American.  Now new migrants get housing, health care and cash without any effort.  It's a different expectation and that creates different communities.

[Morphine Prince 109,654]

Jo Caird

Correspondent

London, England, UK

London is a hugely diverse city, with hundreds of languages spoken by its approximately 8 million inhabitants. The most widely used is of course English, but around 22% of residents have another mother tongue. The most common other languages you'll hear in the city are Polish, Bengali, Gujurati, French, Urdu and Arabic. The 2011 Census revealed that over 100 languages are spoken in 30 of London's 33 boroughs, meaning that this astonishing diversity is to be found right across the capital.

http://www.forbestravelguide.com/london-united-kingdom/what-language-is-spoken-in-london

 

[ShockPop 7,747]

1 minute ago, Robagaga said:

Just saying that they worked someplace doesnt qualify as a source here is a good link that explains what qualifies as a source:

http://www.library.illinois.edu/ugl/howdoi/scholarly.html

Give me a few minutes and I will find the statistics 

When you work for the dwp you have to sign the official secrets act, technically I'm not supposed to say I worked there, even. Feel free to call and ask what percentage of phone calls are Urdu.

[TheCure 125]

2 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Jo Caird

Correspondent

London, England, UK

London is a hugely diverse city, with hundreds of languages spoken by its approximately 8 million inhabitants. The most widely used is of course English, but around 22% of residents have another mother tongue. The most common other languages you'll hear in the city are Polish, Bengali, Gujurati, French, Urdu and Arabic. The 2011 Census revealed that over 100 languages are spoken in 30 of London's 33 boroughs, meaning that this astonishing diversity is to be found right across the capital.

http://www.forbestravelguide.com/london-united-kingdom/what-language-is-spoken-in-london

3 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Jo Caird

Correspondent

London, England, UK

London is a hugely diverse city, with hundreds of languages spoken by its approximately 8 million inhabitants. The most widely used is of course English, but around 22% of residents have another mother tongue. The most common other languages you'll hear in the city are Polish, Bengali, Gujurati, French, Urdu and Arabic. The 2011 Census revealed that over 100 languages are spoken in 30 of London's 33 boroughs, meaning that this astonishing diversity is to be found right across the capital.

http://www.forbestravelguide.com/london-united-kingdom/what-language-is-spoken-in-london

 

That statistic is at least 8 years old.  London has changed dramatically in that time.

 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, xoxo cupcakke said:

No, it's not simple. Integration into society is not easy, especially when your society is margianalizing you to vast extremes. If you feel as if you are not wanted in your society, you will try and gravitate towards a community that understands you

On top of that, most immigrants that immigrate to most major western countries are not going to let go of their cultural values that quick. It's common, but traditions and cultures of the mother culture tend to saturate themselves with the national culture to create a new culture. That is, unless people feel that they are being highly margianallized so they retreat into themselves into their mother culture and do not wish to interact with the national because they feel so unaccepted due to people like yourself that exist en mass in a country like France

Moreover, most immigrants tend to be poor and uneducated, and that makes them prime targets for conditioning by extremists. Their margianalization makes them even higher targets because who are some of these Muslims going to gravitate to: the country that promised them amnesty or financial prosperity but treats them as if they are animals because of their religion or the extremist Islamist group that promises them salvation in exchange for their support?

Obviously the latter, and it's obviously not a majority but a sizeable amount that is alarming and will continue to increase the more ostracized these people feel or become. The same thing had happened with peoples involved in the Latin American drug trade. Just look at how Pablo Escobar managed to militarize and mobilize much of the Colombian public who were feeling unwanted in Colombian society, or the Mexicans that I know, some of my own friends, family, my own parents even, that support figures like "El Chapo" Guzman because they say he is out for the poor and understands their cause. This isn't a matter of integration if the reality is that you are uneducated and margianalized by society. However, people like you will almost always NEVER get what it's like or understand why things are the way they are because you point fingers at religion instead of the societies, both Western, Near Eastern or Far Eastern, that culminated in how certain peoples will or will not function in your society

DO NOT @ ME UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY If all you're going to say is that I don't understand because I'm not French or because you want to wholeheartedly drag a religion that has been abused, just like Christianity in the past, to push unrelated ideologies into the mind of those vulnerable religious practitioners. I understand because I know what it is like to feel margianalized and that there are various factors that will influence that margianalization, but I'm conscious of this reality whereas many others do not realize their or others societal margianalization

Good examples but countries welcoming muslims are never against moderate muslims but against radical islam, and moderate muslims are against radical islam as well.  Also calm down, I didn't even attack you. I'm not even dragging a religion, I'm dragging terrorism and radical islam. In this forum if you talk bad against radical islam it makes you racist? Are you guys in favor of radical islam because y'all leaving me confused.