New York becomes first state to offer tuition-free college for middle class

[Born To Slay 10,996]

2 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

I predict the "corporate" Democrats will start supporting this if it's successful. 

 

I hope they do. This isn't about who is right and who is wrong. It's about getting stuff done. 

But don't put corporate in quotes, you know that there are democrats corrupted by big money.

[Emvee 8,825]

8 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

I predict the "corporate" Democrats will start supporting this if it's successful. 

 

But I guess that's the point isn't it? Corporate democrats will never get rid of money in politics or lobbyists or super pacs, but at least they'll get behind these things... even it's just to appease their constituents before they're primaried out of office. 

[Morphine Prince 109,653]

Just now, New Compassion said:

But I guess that's the point isn't it? Corporate democrats will never get rid of money in politics or lobbyists or super pacs, but at least they'll get behind these things... even it's just to appease their constituents before they're primaried out of office. 

Yeah. It will be fun to see certain individuals supporting more progressive proposals once elections are close lol.

[RAMROD 117,010]

44 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Wait,

"After they graduate, students who receive the scholarship must live and work in New York for the same number of years they received funding. If they leave the state, their scholarship will be converted into a loan. This requirement was not included in the governor’s initial proposal." 

It makes sense they will make you work in the state since they are literally paying for you but this is an inconvenience if you were planning to move. 

 

Well, it's only fair, no hit and run lmao

[Pacify Him 9,073]

omg yas and I'm moving there some time this year. SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY 

[JGD 12,098]

Hopefully California will follow  

[ItWasntLaauv 6,392]

BERNIE, HAAAA F***ING IMPACT!!! 

This is great news in this dumb political climate!

[The Fame Joanne 5,985]

About damn time I'd say. Here in Germany (and probably also other european countries) all universities are for free and students from under- and middleclass get paid by the state to study

[littlepotter 76,610]

5 hours ago, Morphine Prince said:

Wait,

"After they graduate, students who receive the scholarship must live and work in New York for the same number of years they received funding. If they leave the state, their scholarship will be converted into a loan. This requirement was not included in the governor’s initial proposal." 

It makes sense they will make you work in the state since they are literally paying for you but this is an inconvenience if you were planning to move. 

At least it's only for 2 to 4 years  And I suppose those who were planning to move out already had plans to pay for college so if they urgently need to do it they can just choose to takebthe loan.

[JevyDuty 2,961]

6 hours ago, Gaga Monster said:

With all the taxes NY Citizens pay, might as well do something useful with tax dollars

As a tax-paying NY citizen, yeah, I completely agree. Start giving me some of my money back. Coño!

6 hours ago, Born To Slay said:

Starting this fall, undergraduate students who attend a State University of New York or City University of New York school will be eligible for the Excelsior Scholarship if their families earn no more than $100,000 a year. The income cap will lift to $110,000 next year and will reach $125,000 in 2019.

Ok so I qualify. Where do I sign up? But all jokes aside, this is probably going to be unnecessarily complicated because that's how we roll in NY. Just look at our medical marijuana laws: the worst in the nation.

[Saint Laurent 4,862]

I think loans are much more fair and beneficial honestly. 

[Benji 20,113]

1 hour ago, Saint Laurent said:

I think loans are much more fair and beneficial honestly. 

Although I do think the £9,000 a year is excessive in England, I do like the way we have it set up regarding the repayments etc.

[Saint Laurent 4,862]

2 minutes ago, Benji said:

Although I do think the £9,000 a year is excessive in England, I do like the way we have it set up regarding the repayments etc.

It's the best compromise imo.

[Born To Slay 10,996]

1 hour ago, Saint Laurent said:

I think loans are much more fair and beneficial honestly. 

Why are loans more fair and beneficial?

[Saint Laurent 4,862]

5 minutes ago, Born To Slay said:

Why are loans more fair and beneficial?

Attending university drastically improves you career prospects and by consequence, drastically improves your potential salary. In effect, you're paying to be able to earn more. Why should somebody else pay for that?

Not to mention, making university free would mean an increase in the number of people going to university and therefore mean an increase in the number of graduates per year. The graduate job market is packed enough as it is, all free tuition would do is leave more graduates without a graduate level job.

My opinion is swayed since I live in England though. Our tuition fees are capped at £9,000 per year and we only need to repay it if we earn more than £21,000 per year. Even then, the percentage deducted from your salary is negligible. This means that everyone in England can afford to go to university, regardless of their socio-economic background.

As for 'beneficial', I'm sure you can imagine there are a number of economic benefits if people pay for tuition versus if they do not.