Trump Impeachment Could Hurt Democrats

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52 minutes ago, Shadow said:

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

From ARTICLE II, SECTION 4 of the US Constitution.

If anything convicting Trump gets him removed, the VP goes as well.

...I should've actually read the articles for my politics class instead of focus on amendments

[Shadow 6,697]

1 hour ago, ItsTommyBitch said:

I actually didn't know this, I just always thought "why wouldn't Pence go too "

Who does civil officers refer to specifically? Cabinet members? or...

Because the line of succession from Paul Ryan down is garbage (especially Ryan himself; he's shown himself to be a snake that doesn't believe all Americans should be treated equal on numerous occassions  )

 

Civil officers would include all executive or judicial civil servants appointed by the President.  

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/c236.htm

So by legal definition, it means all cabinet members and judges appointed by the President could be removed if damnable convictions can be proved.

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1 hour ago, Seeka said:

But isn't Japan's financial suicide based upon the fact they became an isolationist nation whose technology evolved differently from the rest of the world's?

I'm not sure about Greece's economic fall.

But I can see America becoming an isolationist nation if we keep the giant mangled mango skin in.

Isolation never helps anyone but that wasnt the root cause of their issue especially considering until last decade they consistantly ran trade surpluses with the world (more exports than imports)

 

Japan had a housing collapse in late 80s and a financial crises that lead to deflation. Deflation caused people to hoard money and not invest it since holdong on to cash was an investment in itself. Money hoarding caused investment to stall and consumer spending also

 

In addition Japan has had very serious demographics issues for time, even worse than Europes demographics. Their population is very old and birth rates very low. Their isolation doesnt help in the sense they dont accept enough immigrants to make it up

 

Because their workforce isnt growing and population is shrinking, the deflation issue requires constant fighting because demand for everything chronically drops

 

Old population had also strained services straining financial costs. The Government has tried multiple times to kick start economy with stimulus but it never worked because it doesnt adress the root issue they have.

 

Japan has the worst Debt To GDP Ratio in the world at 230%. That means  they owe over twice what their economy is worth

 

The only reason they've avoided financial meltdown so far is because low inflation and at times deflation makes government bonds a decent investment so their interest on borrowing has been kept low (usually below 0.8%)

 

But its a disaster waiting to happen sooner or later 😐

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4 hours ago, Born To Slay said:

Under Bernies proposal, there's no such thing as whta a plan does or doesn't cover. People just get what they need. It's not like healthcare today wher eur plan only covers X, Y and Z. So it would've worked for everyone.

All plans are going to have restrictions and guidelines. No plan in the universe is going to just "give you what you need". 

Have you ever payed for your own plan? Do you pay for and handle your own healthcare needs? How complicated are your health care needs? Healthcare is extremely complex and can be unbelievably expensive to cover certain people with multiple chronic illnesses. 

Bernie, and by extension...his followers, make a complex problem into something that sounds like a Trump sound bite. 

 

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1 minute ago, Whispering said:

All plans are going to have restrictions and guidelines. No plan in the universe is going to just "give you what you need".

Have you ever payed for your own plan? Do you pay for and handle your own healthcare needs? How complicated are your health care needs? Healthcare is extremely complex and can be unbelievably expensive to cover certain people with multiple chronic illnesses. 

Bernie, and by extension...his followers, make a complex problem into something that sounds like a Trump sound bite. 

 

WELL theres always free healthcare like here in Canada. Excluding: Dental, Vision Care and prescription meds which are privatized

 

AND no people dont die waiting for treatment. The US media likes to Report isolated incidents that happen in specific regions that are more backlogged (often rural areas) and make it seem like thats the norm for all of Canada.

 

I, my family and friends who have had our share of conditions have always been able to rely on the system just fine.

 

Im just saying its a system that can work. That being said, 45% of our budget goes just to healthcare. But we manage to do that while keeping taxes low.

 

Yes our taxes are not the socialist taxes from the 1970s anymore. A myth still around. Many of the main taxes are actually lower than in the US these days (we just had a conservative majority government rule for about a decade)

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1 minute ago, Economy said:

WELL theres always free healthcare like here in Canada. Excluding: Dental, Vision Care and prescription meds which are privatized

 

AND no people dont die waiting for treatment. The US media likes to Report isolated incidents that happen in specific regions that are more backlogged (often rural areas) and make it seem like thats the norm for all of Canada.

 

I, my family and friends who have had our share of conditions have always been able to rely on the system just fine.

 

Im just saying its a system that can work. That being said, 45% of our budget goes just to healthcare. But we manage to do that while keeping taxes low.

 

Yes our taxes are not the socialist taxes from the 1970s anymore. A myth still around. Many of the main taxes are actually lower than in the US these days (we just had a conservative majority government rule for about a decade)

Look to the VA to see what government run healthcare looks like.

Forty five per cent of our budget can't go to healthcare without cutting other services. The US is not going to cut defense spending down to zero to cover health insurance. Health services are already at 25 per cent. To get up to twenty per cent more, we would have to cut out all military spending. That's not going to happen. 

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5 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Look to the VA to see what government run healthcare looks like.

Forty five per cent of our budget can't go to healthcare without cutting other services. The US is not going to cut defense spending down to zero to cover health insurance. Health services are already at 25 per cent. To get up to twenty per cent more, we would have to cut out all military spending. That's not going to happen. 

Whats VA?

 

And if AMerica wasnt in such deep debt it could. What u spend on interest rates alone annually could cover more than half the difference

 

Anyway military is a huge drain. Russia too has issues it doesnt have money to resolve because it dovotes too much of its wealth to military.

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15 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Look to the VA to see what BAD government run healthcare looks like.

Fixed

No, but really your point is why this is so complicated. If only the US didn't need to spend so much on defense and the rising debt  

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Oh this is fun...

the Trump must go crowd is missing the fact that Pence and a Pub congress can actually pass something the Lib's hate....Trump is less likely to pass anything now, because he is willing to work with the Lib's, but then, "all'' the pub's will block it ..not just the far right ole' fogi stogi's..

Man o Man....

[KleinGa 18,177]

Impeach Him

Then IMPEACH PENCE

Impeach ALL of them

[Seeka 12,372]

1 hour ago, Woolfsmck said:

Oh this is fun...

the Trump must go crowd is missing the fact that Pence and a Pub congress can actually pass something the Lib's hate....Trump is less likely to pass anything now, because he is willing to work with the Lib's, but then, "all'' the pub's will block it ..not just the far right ole' fogi stogi's..

Man o Man....

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

From ARTICLE II, SECTION 4 of the US Constitution.

If anything convicting Trump gets him removed, the VP goes as well.

Taken from @Shadow's post.

The only way Pence will rise if Trump's impeached if he is undeinably innocent, or if he is undeniably innocent and Trump decides to resign before they can impeach.

I honestly doubt Pence is innocent either. He's guilty by association, at least. But he benefited from these actions, whether directly or indirectly, if any of this Russian stuff is proven true.

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Impeach them both and rerun the election.

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10 hours ago, Seeka said:

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

From ARTICLE II, SECTION 4 of the US Constitution.

If anything convicting Trump gets him removed, the VP goes as well.

Taken from @Shadow's post.

The only way Pence will rise if Trump's impeached if he is undeinably innocent, or if he is undeniably innocent and Trump decides to resign before they can impeach.

I honestly doubt Pence is innocent either. He's guilty by association, at least. But he benefited from these actions, whether directly or indirectly, if any of this Russian stuff is proven true.

Unfortunately that'd make Paul Ryan president and that's still arguably worse (imo) than some tool like Trump who's a sh*t president but a sh*t president dragging down the reputation of the GOP.

[Born To Slay 10,996]

16 minutes ago, Sans said:

Unfortunately that'd make Paul Ryan president and that's still arguably worse (imo) than some tool like Trump who's a sh*t president but a sh*t president dragging down the reputation of the GOP.

Also, Trump seems more likely to work with democrats then any of these others GOP hacks

[Himeros26 1,688]

Quick question because I'm ignorant

why do people hate obamacare? because of obamacare i'm paying $17 for my healthcare and i get free doctor visits and drugs are less than $5 for me....?