Sugarfall 3,723 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Nvm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adakam 2 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Pence would be another Bush, nothing more. Trump is a Hitler wannabe but without the brains Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,655 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 41 minutes ago, Born To Slay said: Why are you ignoring the fact that the voters get to pick? It's not just the party leaders that get to pick. The idea that voters won't pick a progressive is far from certain. Bernie Sanders could've won if he did a better job with minority voters. All that a progressive needs to do is fix that problem in 2020 and they have a real shot at winning. It doesn't matter what the party leaders want, a progressive can win the primary with the right campaign. but hey, if u wanna pretend that 2020 already happened, you can. Its also free. But let's remember everyone thought Hilary would win. Democrats will lose if they sway far to the left in 2020. Democrats need to bring in more of these independents that went to Trump in 2016. In 2015-16 it seemed like we were ready to go a bit left but it's clear we are not. It's a slow process but I don't see 2020 being THAT year. 2020 will be the year to take back the country from the dumbest president we've ever had. If people who voted for this con-man realize their mistake Dems. will win. But it will be a moderate that will prevail. Don't worry though. We are slowly moving more and more to the left as a society. Conservatives lost the cultural war and they know it. Republican presidents are like a pause button on a fast forward towards the left. A Republican winning in 2016 was NOT the surprise. Trump winning was. The swing of power is still happening. If Dems. come together in 2020 we will take the country back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausofkc 2,530 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Impeach them both Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 37 minutes ago, Born To Slay said: Bernies plan was actually pretty comprehensive in terms of what it would cover. It covered stuff a lot of places don't cover. A plan that doesn't hurt states and is less expensive for employee based programs. Bernie's plan could have included all sorts of things, because it wasn't feasible. Like Trump's promises, getting these "plans" to work for 340 million people is a different thing. Anyone can promise anything. Getting it to work and finding the funding is a whole other ball game! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 23 minutes ago, Whispering said: A plan that doesn't hurt states and is less expensive for employee based programs. Bernie's plan could have included all sorts of things, because it wasn't feasible. Like Trump's promises, getting these "plans" to work for 340 million people is a different thing. Anyone can promise anything. Getting it to work and finding the funding is a whole other ball game! Under Bernies proposal, there's no such thing as whta a plan does or doesn't cover. People just get what they need. It's not like healthcare today wher eur plan only covers X, Y and Z. So it would've worked for everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 46 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: Democrats will lose if they sway far to the left in 2020. Democrats need to bring in more of these independents that went to Trump in 2016. In 2015-16 it seemed like we were ready to go a bit left but it's clear we are not. It's a slow process but I don't see 2020 being THAT year. 2020 will be the year to take back the country from the dumbest president we've ever had. If people who voted for this con-man realize their mistake Dems. will win. But it will be a moderate that will prevail. Don't worry though. We are slowly moving more and more to the left as a society. Conservatives lost the cultural war and they know it. Republican presidents are like a pause button on a fast forward towards the left. A Republican winning in 2016 was NOT the surprise. Trump winning was. The swing of power is still happening. If Dems. come together in 2020 we will take the country back. I think we can take the country back and support progressive ideals. I think with the right canditate, we can get the rust belt voters back while also being progressive. A guy like Sherrod Brown, a popular senator from Ohio (meaning he's won 2 state wide elections in a crucial swing state twice) who's very progressive but also very job oriented, would be great. I think when Trump fails to bring jobs to the rust belt, that'll prevent him from winning in 2020. We could run whoever and still win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imnotyourbabe10 6,120 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Horny Orange Pervert over Fundamentalist Christian any day. I do not want 45 impeached...if so, take the whole crew down. Also, I currently live in Indiana (the glorious ass-backward state that gave ya'll the VP). I'd rather have Russian golden showers than gay conversion therapy. Pence is scarier because he knows politics whereas T***p doesn't really know how to work the system as such. EDIT: Although Pence is better looking and kind of a "daddy" (as some of you thirsty GGD members would say lol)...I feel like Pence is the type of dude you'd find on Grindr without a face pic or low-key hanging at a bathhouse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fame Joanne 5,985 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Then let's hope that both of theem ad ties to Russia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpadesToStart 3,808 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I'm not worried. Pence is only powerful with a Republican congress, and the way things are going, Republican reps are cruising for a bruising in the 2018 midterms Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,844 Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 2 hours ago, New Compassion said: Please tell me you mean small businesses only. Big corporations already pay lower (12%) than law actually states, because of loopholes. I understand the concern for business, but the economy seemed to do just fine (better) when the corporate tax rate was higher than it is even today. Its better to lower the rate but cut loopholes 12% is an average. Some businesses in some sectors succeed better with loopholes than others and it makes competition uneven Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,844 Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 2 hours ago, Gaga Monster said: Yes small businesses only. We are suffering so much, 37% is way too much, my whole family is affected by it. Here in Canada Corporate is 15% and small business taxes are only 11% (dropping to 10% this year then 9% next year) yet small businesses still struggle... Yeah most of our taxes are lower yet Americans call us socialists. Like WTF that come from???? I think conpetition always keeps prices of goods and services low and profit margins stay low Consumers would be the biggest gainers... But if business owners can keep at least part of the savings that would be great! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bionic 50,111 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 COuntry above party Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteMyAccount 11,881 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Considering what is happening, however, I'm sure there will be many people within and outside the Trump and admin that will get in trouble if Flynn spills anything. This Russia thing is too big to impeach just Trump. His whole admin should be kicked out. HOWEVER. Keeping Trump in will makes things worse for the GOP. If we can wait until the 2018 elections, then he can go after that. Getting rid of Trump too early may bring the GOP back together. But again, we'll see if anything ever happens.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,844 Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Born To Slay said: I think we can take the country back and support progressive ideals. I think with the right canditate, we can get the rust belt voters back while also being progressive. A guy like Sherrod Brown, a popular senator from Ohio (meaning he's won 2 state wide elections in a crucial swing state twice) who's very progressive but also very job oriented, would be great. I think when Trump fails to bring jobs to the rust belt, that'll prevent him from winning in 2020. We could run whoever and still win. Hes gonna run big deficits and increase infrastructure That should boost the economy short term to last till 2020. Even an idiot can boost the economy by overspending As for the financial suicide hes building with it, Hopefully people will recognize the simmilar patterns to Japan and Greece Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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