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1 hour ago, Gaga Monster said:

I never said his plan was better, it was worse. But you can't sit here and deny the facts about Obamacare, premiums are rising and there is no doctor choice as Obama promised. We need a new healthcare package better than Obamacare. I don't like RyanCare and that is why I don't support Trump anymore.

i suggest you read this article stating the facts about Obamacare and all the lies that were told about it.

I will never forgot Obama lying right to my face, "If you like a doctor, you will get to keep him. It will be affordable. My plan will cover every American. No middle class family will see a tax increase, etc." all lies

https://americansforprosperity.org/re-obamacare-lies-lets-make-obamacares-last-birthday/

Don't worry. Trump will fix everything.

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16 minutes ago, ZacharyMark said:

Don't worry. Trump will fix everything.

I don't think you are reading my words properly. I have stated over and over I don't support Trumps healthcare plan and him as of now. Just keep on ignoring the facts about Obamacare I guess

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14 minutes ago, Gaga Monster said:

I don't think you are reading my words properly. I have stated over and over I don't support Trumps healthcare plan and him as of now. Just keep on ignoring the facts about Obamacare I guess

Who said I was in support of Obamacare? The fact is is that Trump is the President and he said he would get rid of it on day 1. We have yet to see Trump do it. 

Again, he can fix anything. So I'm sure Obamacare will be gone in no time. Don't worry.

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3 minutes ago, ZacharyMark said:

Who said I was in support of Obamacare? The fact is is that Trump is the President and he said he would get rid of it on day 1. We have yet to see Trump do it. 

Again, he can fix anything. So I'm sure Obamacare will be gone in no time. Don't worry.

He failed to repeal and replace Obamacare in a spectacularly pathetic attempt.

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2 hours ago, Gaga Monster said:

I never said his plan was better, it was worse. But you can't sit here and deny the facts about Obamacare, premiums are rising and there is no doctor choice as Obama promised. We need a new healthcare package better than Obamacare. I don't like RyanCare and that is why I don't support Trump anymore.

i suggest you read this article stating the facts about Obamacare and all the lies that were told about it.

I will never forgot Obama lying right to my face, "If you like a doctor, you will get to keep him. It will be affordable. My plan will cover every American. No middle class family will see a tax increase, etc." all lies

https://americansforprosperity.org/re-obamacare-lies-lets-make-obamacares-last-birthday/

No thanks on the article. I'm not going to read some BS from a site that has this mess on it:  AFP Cheers Confirmation of DeVos as Education Secretary

What healthcare do you prefer? The one from the FC? 

Yeah, yeah...Trump's a big joke and so were all his policies you've been in love with for months now. 

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On 3/31/2017 at 3:27 PM, Whispering said:

Of course voters get to pick. Just watch and see. History is not on your side. 

History's most progressive president, FDR, was so well loved that he got elected a record 4 terms because people loved him so damn much. Too bad Hillary couldn't do that 

don't doubt the progressives. Moderate democrats like my parents and grandpa even voted for sanders in the primary and tons of independents like my grandma would have in the General had he been nominated. With the backing of Clinton and obama, sanders would have easily taken home several states she failed in include Michigan. Don't count him or other progressives like Gabbard or Warren out in 2020 

 

 

tho personally I'd like to see Gore comeback and run or daddy Webb to be the nominee with Gabbard as Vp

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5 minutes ago, Born To Slay said:

He failed to repeal and replace Obamacare in a spectacularly pathetic attempt.

I'm just kidding.  We all know Trump is a dud. Sadly, people can only bring up Obama into this just to make Trump seem tolerable.

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1 minute ago, Whispering said:

No thanks on the article. I'm not going to read some BS from a site that has this mess on it:  AFP Cheers Confirmation of DeVos as Education Secretary

What healthcare do you prefer? The one from the FC? 

Yeah, yeah...Trump's a big joke and so were all his policies you've been in love with for months now. 

They are actual statements Obama made and how he lied about Obamacare. 

I dont know the answer to healthcare, but Obamacare is not the answer. People don't have the choice of doctors, premiums are through the roof, penalties are placed on lower class citizens who can't afford it, and it doesn't cover everyone. When Americans can not even see there own doctor, that is a problem. The Middle/Lower class is suffering the most, our premiums are doubling.

I don't know, RyanCare isnt the answer, but we need something new fast that is actually good

CLAIM: “If you like your healthcare plan, you will be able to keep your healthcare plan.” 

TRUTH: Millions of Americans have had their health plans cancelled, some more than once. And the Obama administration knew this would happen.

CLAIM: “If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor.”

TRUTH: As a result of Obamacare’s narrow provider networks, millions of Americans are unable to see their own doctor.

CLAIM: “No family making less than $250,000 a year will see their taxes increase.” 

TRUTH: Obamacare contains 18 new or increased taxes, many of which hit the middle class.

CLAIM: “We’re going to lower your premiums by up to $2500 per family per year.” 

TRUTH: Millions of families have seen their premiums increase by double-digits every year since the law passed.

CLAIM: “I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits, now or in the future.” 

TRUTH: Obamacare adds over $6 trillion to the deficit long-term.

CLAIM: “I will sign a universal healthcare bill into law…that covers every American.”

TRUTH: Obamacare will leave over 30 million without health insurance.

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2 minutes ago, Gaga Monster said:

They are actual statements Obama made and how he lied about Obamacare. 

I dont know the answer to healthcare, but Obamacare is not the answer. People don't have the choice of doctors, premiums are through the roof, penalties are placed on lower class citizens who can't afford it, and it doesn't cover everyone. When Americans can not even see there own doctor, that is a problem. The Middle/Lower class is suffering the most, our premiums are doubling.

I don't know, RyanCare isnt the answer, but we need something new fast that is actually good

CLAIM: “If you like your healthcare plan, you will be able to keep your healthcare plan.” 

TRUTH: Millions of Americans have had their health plans cancelled, some more than once. And the Obama administration knew this would happen.

CLAIM: “If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor.”

TRUTH: As a result of Obamacare’s narrow provider networks, millions of Americans are unable to see their own doctor.

CLAIM: “No family making less than $250,000 a year will see their taxes increase.” 

TRUTH: Obamacare contains 18 new or increased taxes, many of which hit the middle class.

CLAIM: “We’re going to lower your premiums by up to $2500 per family per year.” 

TRUTH: Millions of families have seen their premiums increase by double-digits every year since the law passed.

CLAIM: “I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits, now or in the future.” 

TRUTH: Obamacare adds over $6 trillion to the deficit long-term.

CLAIM: “I will sign a universal healthcare bill into law…that covers every American.”

TRUTH: Obamacare will leave over 30 million without health insurance.

Thankfully the Republicans didn't do anything to sabotage Obamacare. For example, allowing the plan to increase premiums. 

The fact is is that even Obama himself can't predict how the ACA would eventually plan out. Laws don't work that way. They work in correlation to many different factors. For example, corporations.

In what world do you live in where you think that laws will do what they are intended to do? Healthcare and the tax code are nearly impossible to fix without someone causing a fit. The problem isn't Obamacare. The problem is that people aren't willing to fix the parts that don't work. People are too worked up about healthcare because Obama's damn name is in it. And please know that even if the ACA isn't working in one area, it certainly is in another. Now, as a follower of politics you should know that getting things done means fixing the problem instead of pointing fingers.

So please do everyone a favor and understand that conservatives had 7 years to come up with a new plan. 7 DAMN YEARS. And they failed within two months. Conservatives built their entire base on getting rid of Obamacare. THOSE are the people you should be concerned about because they are the ones that'll be in charge of actually fixing what is wrong. 

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1 hour ago, Gaga Monster said:

 

I dont know the answer to healthcare, but Obamacare is not the answer. People don't have the choice of doctors, premiums are through the roof, penalties are placed on lower class citizens who can't afford it, and it doesn't cover everyone. When Americans can not even see there own doctor, that is a problem. The Middle/Lower class is suffering the most, our premiums are doubling.

I don't know, RyanCare isnt the answer, but we need something new fast that is actually good.

You are getting these crazy talking points from that crazy ass Tea Party crap run by the Koch Brothers. I refuse to spend one second reading that ****. The reason you hate Trump now all of a sudden is because he wouldn't fall in line with your Freedom Caucus-Tea Party group.

There isn't any kind of healthcare that is "fast". You can't make something so complex magically appear in a month...or two...or three...

Stop spreading false information. The lower class is getting excellent healthcare for a very reasonable price, with no pre-existing conditions and no lifetime limit. Obamacare has and is saving the lives of the working poor and the previously uninsurable. 

Your alarmist statements are exactly what you would hear on Faux News. No one is going to believe that mess here. You preached all about how Trump was the second coming and that was all a joke and so is this mess from the Koch brothers. 

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10 hours ago, Economy said:

Canadians arent much better. Maybe its the long winters i dunno but 1 in 4 suffer from mental illness like anxiety, depression or some other type of mood disorder (im among them)

 

Those antisycotic drugs costs on insurance companies and the phychologists and phychiatrists the government has to pay for are balooning costs. 

 

Also too mamy are getting compensation cause they cant work

 

Soon mental health could start to cost more than Obesity related health issues. Or maybe its already surpassed i dont know the exact figures

 

I went to see my brother today and the Cardio section of the Hospital took up 1/3 of the floor (Its one of the largest Hospitals in Toronto area so 1 floor is huge)... but the mental health section took up an entire floor plus a section of the next floor  

I think I got the mental illness , but the rest of me is fine

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7 hours ago, Whispering said:

You are getting these crazy talking points from that crazy ass Tea Party crap run by the Koch Brothers. I refuse to spend one second reading that ****. The reason you hate Trump now all of a sudden is because he wouldn't fall in line with your Freedom Caucus-Tea Party group.

There isn't any kind of healthcare that is "fast". You can't make something so complex magically appear in a month...or two...or three...

Stop spreading false information. The lower class is getting excellent healthcare for a very reasonable price, with no pre-existing conditions and no lifetime limit. Obamacare has and is saving the lives of the working poor and the previously uninsurable. 

Your alarmist statements are exactly what you would hear on Faux News. No one is going to believe that mess here. You preached all about how Trump was the second coming and that was all a joke and so is this mess from the Koch brothers. 

Have you actually gone out and spoken to lower class citizens on Obamacare? They are suffering, those who used to pay $300-$400 a month are now paying $900 a month. Some opt out and are charged a penalty fee. I have spoken with dozens of families online and in person about there experiences. They can't see the doctors they want to see. These are facts, if you choose to ignore theses facts, that is ok, keep that idea that Obama never lied to you or can't do anything wrong.

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56 minutes ago, Gaga Monster said:

Have you actually gone out and spoken to lower class citizens on Obamacare? They are suffering, those who used to pay $300-$400 a month are now paying $900 a month. Some opt out and are charged a penalty fee. I have spoken with dozens of families online and in person about there experiences. They can't see the doctors they want to see. These are facts, if you choose to ignore theses facts, that is ok, keep that idea that Obama never lied to you or can't do anything wrong.

They are not. The lower class is not paying $900 a month for insurance. That is BS. They don't make enough to pay that much. Stop repeating the lies you hear on your tea party sites and Faux News...those aren't facts! The working poor and currently uninsurable are not bitching about losing some doctor they never even had. And by the way, doctors fall off of employee based plans all the time. You would know that if you didn't get all your "information" from Tea Party Propaganda sites. 

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8 minutes ago, Whispering said:

They are not. The lower class is not paying $900 a month for insurance. That is BS. They don't make enough to pay that much. Stop repeating the lies you hear on your tea party sites and Faux News...those aren't facts! The working poor and currently uninsurable are not bitching about losing some doctor they never even had. And by the way, doctors fall off of employee based plans all the time. You would know that if you didn't get all your "information" from Tea Party Propaganda sites. 

From CNN: The big price spikes for 2017 have some current Obamacare enrollees wondering whether they'll renew their plans next year or opt to pay the penalty of $695 per person, or 2.5% of income, whichever is larger.

Stop telling lies, Obamacare hurts the middle/lower class. I have spoken with families throughout the country, they don't make that much, who are paying hundreds per month, more than they ever paid before. They are hurting, stop acting like it isn't a problem and that Obama didn't lie about it. The evidence is all there. 

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19 minutes ago, Gaga Monster said:

From CNN: The big price spikes for 2017 have some current Obamacare enrollees wondering whether they'll renew their plans next year or opt to pay the penalty of $695 per person, or 2.5% of income, whichever is larger.

Stop telling lies, Obamacare hurts the middle/lower class. I have spoken with families throughout the country, they don't make that much, who are paying hundreds per month, more than they ever paid before. They are hurting, stop acting like it isn't a problem and that Obama didn't lie about it. The evidence is all there. 

That's for the middle class, not lower class. Stop with the fake news.

From the same article:

"The middle class are getting squeezed," said Larry Levitt, senior vice president at the Kaiser Family Foundation. "They aren't getting subsidies and these deductibles are hard to afford." 

This schism is turning Obamacare into another government benefit program for lower- and moderate-income Americans. The typical enrollee has an income of only 165% of the federal poverty level, or $40,000 for a family of four. 

The real problem is that health care is very expensive, Levitt said. But most Americans don't realize the true cost because they are shielded by their employers. 

Some 150 million people have insurance through work, paying only about $440 a month for a family plan, while employers cover the rest, or about $1,075.

 

The lower class and working class still had affordable rates. The proof is there. Thousands of these people showed up at town halls across the country to advocate for keeping their affordable insurance. Those in the lower class and working class were hurting before when they didn't have access to healthcare at all.

Maybe you are confusing lower class, working class and the middle class. The plan needed adjustments and supplements for the middle class, not for the lower class because it already was in place.