Chart Discussion: The Cure / Joanne

[RochestrMonstr 2,888]

6 minutes ago, Supersonic said:

It just shows Gaga is better off doing whatever the hell she wants rather than catering to what her fans think she needs in her career. 

John Wayne has everything what the gays asked for: Uptempo song, choreography, fun on-trend color scheme, rapid fire editing, professional director, sex, over the top campiness and Gaga looking snatched, yet it flopped.

And this is why I don't trust anybody that hails DIC as the holy grail that will take Gaga's career above and beyond, repair all relations to pop radio and make her become bigger than she was in 2010. They don't realize that just because they love something so strongly doesn't mean that anyone else even remotely cares. Like... The John Wayne video is objectively great and it can't get 20M views right on the back of Gaga's Superbowl hype.

It's very similar to those 250 twinks on tumblr that think Emotion of Carly Rae Jepsen is the greatest album of all time and got seriously offended when it wasn't nominated for a Grammy, not realizing that the world doesn't revolve around that particular album and really nobody actually gave a f*ck about it or thought it was good. Literally comfortably living in a bubble, bubble.  

Poor Mark Ronson being excluded

John Wayne didn't flop though. It wasn't even a single, and had no promotion. It was just a video for the fans. Why would anyone expect more views than what it got?

Its still the best video of the era.

[Monsterious 26,867]

 

[Supersonic 49,376]

5 minutes ago, Tyler Henry said:

But John wayne was not even a single, so I don't know how you guys expect the video to receive a lot of views. In my opinion the views are just fine for a non single/radio friendly album track 

What I was expecting is not the point. The point is: The video delivered everything the fanbase said Gaga needed to "revive" her career (that is pretty much alive anyways and doesn't need reviving lol), pick up younger audiences, keep the hype going and pick up on streaming and yet it flatlined.

What you need isn't always what you want is all I'm trying to say.

[Taylorrgh 679]

Just now, Supersonic said:

What I was expecting is not the point. The point is: The video delivered everything the fanbase said Gaga needed to "revive" her career (that is pretty much alive anyways and doesn't need reviving lol), pick up younger audiences, keep the hype going and pick up on streaming and yet it flatlined.

What you need isn't always what you want is all I'm trying to say.

It may have delivered on what the FANS wanted and that's fine, but if the video is not really known then how would we know the GP wouldn't like it? Just like I stated in my original point, it was not a single, so there is no way to determine how successful the video would have been.

[ViviLittleM 3]

9 minutes ago, Monsterious said:

once  again, can someone post simms predictions ?  

 

Spoiler

 

Heavily underestimated how quickly radio would jump on Passionfruit and it's stability on Spotify because of that in the first predictions

 

And it's still the sales estimates from last Sunday. 

 

1 Shape Of You     601  (=)

2 That's What I Like     441 (=)  

3 Something Just Like This     262  (+4)

4 I Feel It Coming     246  (+1)

5 iSpy     236  (+7)

6 I Don't Wanna Live Forever     233  (-3)

7 Tunnel Vision     229  (-1)

8 Bad And Boujee     229  (-4)

9 Passionfruit     222  (-1)

10 Paris     220  (=)

11 Rockabye     219 (+2)  

12 Body Like A Back Road     213  (+4)

13 Chained To The Rhythm     210  (+6)

14 Mask Off     207  (+10)

15 Love On The Brain     206 (-4)  

16 It Ain't Me     203  (+4)

17 Bounce Back     200  (-3)

18 Stay     199  (+3)

19 Say You Won't Let Go     190  (+3)

20 Closer     187  (-3)

 

21 Portland     187  (-12)

22 Issues     170  (+4)

23 Mercy     168  (=)

24 Location     166  (+8)

25 Congratulations     165   (+5)

26 Fake Love     165  (-11)

27 T-Shirt     165  (-2)

28 24k Magic     164  (-1)

29 Cold     155  (+2)

30 Can't Stop The Feeling     154  (+3)

31 Down     154  (-3)

32 Scars To Your Beautiful     151  (+2)

33 Swang     141  (+8)

34 Rolex     134  (+8)

35 The Heart Part 4     133 (debut)  

36 Starboy     132  (+1)

37 Gyalchester     123  (-8)

38 Free Smoke     122  (-20)

39 Dirt On My Boots     122  (+4)

40 Million Reasons     121  (+6)

 

41 Bad Things     121  (-2)

42 Blem     116  (-4)

43 Slide     113  (+12)

44 Don't Wanna Know     113  (=)

45 Despacito     109  (+7)

46 Water Under The Bridge     106  (+7)

47 Teenage Fever     104  (-12)

48 Let Me Love You     102  (-1)

49 Both     102  (+9)

50 Believer     102  (+7)

51 Look At Me!     102  (+15)

52 Goosebumps     101  (+7)

53 In Case You Didn't Know     100  (+14)

54 Speak To A Girl       96  (debut)

55 Party       96  (+1)

56 Hurricane       94 (+12) 

57 Sacrifices       93  (-21)

58 How Far I'll Go Auli'l       92  (+5)

59 Fast       89  (+10)

60 Redbone       88  (+11)

 

61 Green Light       86  (+4)

62 Heavy       86  (+17)

63 Castle On The Hill       83 (+9)  

64 Any Ol Barstool       83  (+10)

65 Get It Together       81  (-20)

66 XO Tour Lif3       80  (debut)

67 No Long Talk       78  (-27)

68 Play That Song       76  (+9)

69 Selfish        75  (+16)

70 KMT       73  (-22)

71 4422       72  (-21)

72 The Fighter       72 (+6)  

73 Shining       72  (+13)

74 Road Less Traveled       71  (+13)

75 Madiba Riddim       71  (-24)

76 Hometown Girl       70  (+16)

77 Moves       70  (+6)

78 Deja Vu       70  (+2)

79 Jorja Interlude       68 (-30)  

80 Losin Control       68  (+11)

 

81 The Weekend       67  (+12)

82 Think A Little Less       67  (-1)

83 Still Got Time       66  (debut)

84 Swalla       65  (+14)

85 Call On Me       65  (+5)

86 Yeah Boy       64  (re-entry)

87 No Frauds       64  (-3)

88 Ice Melts       63  (-26)

89 Do Not Disturb       62 (-29) 

90 Black       62  (re-entry)

91 Everyday       61  (-16)

92 Draco       60  (+3)

93 Galway Girl       60 (-4)  

94 How Far I'll Go Alessia       59  (+6)

95 Mo Bounce       59  (debut)

96 You're Welcome       58  (re-entry)

97 Glow       58  (-43)

98 Nothings Into Somethings       57  (-37)

99 Good Drank       56  (re-entry)

100 Prblms       56  (re-entry)

 

Others

 

The One 52

Scared To Be Lonely 50

Thumbs 49

 

 

[RochestrMonstr 2,888]

5 minutes ago, Supersonic said:

What I was expecting is not the point. The point is: The video delivered everything the fanbase said Gaga needed to "revive" her career (that is pretty much alive anyways and doesn't need reviving lol), pick up younger audiences, keep the hype going and pick up on streaming and yet it flatlined.

What you need isn't always what you want is all I'm trying to say.

Yeah, and if she used an amazing video like John Wayne's on an actual single, the views would likely be huge! 

You can't expect the views on a song no one (except fans) knows about to be comparable to the views of videos for actual singles. 

[junolxf 8,654]

3 minutes ago, ViviLittleM said:

Heavily underestimated how quickly radio would jump on Passionfruit and it's stability on Spotify because of that in the first predictions

 

And it's still the sales estimates from last Sunday. 

 

1 Shape Of You     601  (=)

2 That's What I Like     441 (=)  

3 Something Just Like This     262  (+4)

Wow. I can't believe this. I'm so sick of The Chainsmokers jfc. Unbelievable.

[OBEY 57,109]

39 minutes ago, Drin Lon said:

unless Bobby plays the cards right, and by right, I mean right, the 3rd single will most likely flop 

[Americano 31,061]

Gaga sold out her extra US date so quickly. Idk why they arent adding dates faster, it's stupid. Easily could add more in major cities like Philly, NYC, LA, Miami, Dallas, etc. With how it's going, if they wanted to, they could easily make it a 150M+ grossing tour.

Did she sell out her Spanish / UK dates?

[Supersonic 49,376]

1 minute ago, Americano said:

Gaga sold out her extra US date so quickly. Idk why they arent adding dates faster, it's stupid. Easily could add more in major cities like Philly, NYC, LA, Miami, Dallas, etc. With how it's going, if they wanted to, they could easily make it a 150M+ grossing tour.

Did she sell out her Spanish / UK dates?

Last time I checked, there were loads of tickets available online through official retailers.

I think she might have sold out Spain, she didn't with the UK except London.

[Americano 31,061]

Shes close in Spain but not yet-- She will soon.

I had thought she sold out all of her UK dates except the newest, guess I was wrong

[junolxf 8,654]

They will be all over iTunes this weekend. 

[Americano 31,061]

Also she should add another date in France.

[LittleMichael 23,584]

20 hours ago, ARTPOPisaChoice said:

[US Single Sales]

#1 - Poker Face (7.422.000)
#2 - Just Dance (7.100.000)
#3 - Bad Romance (5.758.000)
#4 - Born This Way (4.183.000)
#5 - Paparazzi (3.500.000)
#6 - Telephone (3.400.000)
#7 - The Edge of Glory (3.000.000)
#8 - Applause (2.640.000)
#9 - LoveGame (2.630.000)
#10 - Alejandro (2.570.000)
#11 - Yoü and I (2.310.000)
#12 - Do What U Want (1.220.000)
#13 - Judas (984.000)
#14 - Million Reasons (828.000) 
#15 - Marry the Night (713.000)
#16 - Perfect Illusion (246.000)
#17 - Til It Happens To You (71.000)
#18 - G.U.Y. (30.000)

TOTAL - 46.474.000

Average : 2,581,000 per single

Does anyone have any updates for any of these? Gaga is getting pretty close to 50M pure sales from official singles alone. 

@Supersonic has made a spreadsheet about this...

Btw, you should update MR's data after this article

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7744316/with-million-reasons-is-lady-gaga-bringing-back-the-vocalist-era?utm_source=twitter

9 hours ago, GagaStan95 said:

News from Italy:

 

"Million Reasons" spent its 18th week in the top40 on TimMusic platform at #38. 

The song reached 28,000 spins and about to surpass "Perfect Illusion" in a week or more. 

FIMI is out in a few hours and will be out from top40 cause of Spotify but still slay after almost 5 months. 

According to my prediction the song has reached 95K copies and will reach 2x platinum on easter. 

Maybe the discount could help a little bit... we will see

[BenG 19,908]

Guys, just to remind you all that the Best Pop Vocal Performance category no longer exists and that the vocal is not for how good the artist sound but a differentiation between vocal and instrumental records. The same applies for Best Pop Vocal Album.