Nike to sell hijabs

[Edonis 28,974]

16 minutes ago, Moebius said:

@Edonis nope, found nothing. But my reasons for not supporting any type of veil are based on my knowledge of my culture. Muslim faith is very close to our culture, and I despise it for that. Though thankfully, I don't live in a country as extreme as the middle eastern ones, it's effect is still there. One of my closest friends wanted to start wearing a hijab once. I strictly opposed, trying to change her mind about it. In the end her father wouldn't let her, even though her mother said she could do what she wants.
My problem is not the veil itself; it's what it symbolizes. It's like the Swastika (very exaggerated I know, but it's the best example I have rn); the only reason people get jailed in Germany for using it is for what it symbolizes. It doesn't hurt anyone (physically). The same is with the hijab. It's a symbol of oppression, and it will always be. Sometimes I feel like wearing it for "fashion" (no jabs at gaga here) is rude considering there are women I know that are socially forced to wear that thing. Socially, sometimes physically.

(LONG AND PERSONAL RANT ABOUT RELIGION INCOMING) I am very lucky to have parents that let me and my sisters freely form our view of the world. Religion never played a part in our lives, and I'm thankful for it. I have had the opportunity to view the culture from a neutral view, I know all of its flaws. Though it is in the Wests best intention and I understand that the western society wants to be accepting (and they have done it  ), some things are not to be accepted. Freedom of religion is a human right, but religion itself is more complex than it seems. IDK if I'll get WPs for this, and even if I do, I'll at least have this off my chest. The Church has been heavily reformed to meet the standards of society throughout the years, and even now, it has little power over the population. Atheism is rising, people are abandoning religion. I do commend Christianity for modernising heavily, and it's one of the few that has started to accept some of the most marginalized of society (LGBT community). That's because of where it is spread. Europe is the most advanced ground in the world, here included all the western civilization (Canada you too ofc <3 ). Here the people are educated and standards are high. It's a different life. Religion plays no role in the "unification" of society, or in the daily lives of society itself. Islam does, however. And it's not entirely its fault, but where it is spread. Countries are poor, the population is uneducated. Not everyone has the same privileges as I had. My father never was into religion from the start, my mother was upper-middle class. I was never told that the LGBT community should die, never told that women have to do this and men have to do that. But I know families that had those kind of narrow views, and still have. Which is why I never really had many friends. My political and societal views alienated most, but now I do have friends who I can talk to about these things. A big role in my liberal views was Gaga herself, and she's been a role model ever since I heard BTW. Also my sister, the original Gaga stan, whom I love so much for making me the person I am today.
My point is that the West sees religion in their view, they model it after the calmer, more laid back Christianity. They have to see it from this point of view too. 
I'm deeply sorry for the long rant, it's just an ad and it kinda set me off a little. No hate to anybody, especially women who wear veils. My only beef is with religion itself, and how it manipulates the views of a society. @Edonis also sorry for tagging you, lol, 
 

Yeah sorry I'm not quite following what you are saying regarding a few of the things you wrote but regardless your beliefs are your beliefs and as long as you don't attack others I'm not going to stop you. It's okay because this is how open dialogue starts but I do suggest at least listening to "modernised" Muslims who don't hold archaic and forced views. Culture plays a large role in religious interpretation and thus this fluctuates.

[yaaas 156]

Im glad they did this. This will only have a positive effect on hijab-wearing women. Hopefully this means that more muslim women will do sports and be active. Ofc they can do sports with a regular hijab, and I bet there is other sport-hijab making companies...But for a world-wide sportsbrand to include this in their productline will hopefully be seen as inclusive

 

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God I feel so smart and civilized after my post...need some britney 

 

 

[SKANK 14,288]

7 minutes ago, Dominic Marc said:

The way you expressed it seems to have caused confusion for people it seems. 

Either way, I agree but it seems to be such a sweeping generalisation at the same time. Many women choose to wear them. It's such a complex thing that opens up a lot of grey areas. 

 

Any efforts to reject a gender double stranded should be celebrated, any efforts which promote (and in this case make a profit from) a gender double standard should be condemned. It's a fairly simple and socially progressive idea, an idea that ironically seems to be rejected by the Western Liberals in this thread.

[Cocaine Heart 4,768]

@Moebius You clearly have a lot of misdirected anger to something to say you have a lot of knowledge about but really don't know much about. It's always amusing that those who brag about western civilization and 'western values' are one who want to say women should not be wearing this that or the other.

 

[Chromatislaps 34,854]

Imma buy & wear one and perform Aura in my bedroom

 

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first step to performing Aura in a burqa

 

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I won't do it tho...only in my mind

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[The Child 18,997]

1 hour ago, SKANK said:

I just question the morality of a religion which requires one gender to display more modesty than the other,

Both genders in Islam are asked to be equally modest.

[SKANK 14,288]

12 minutes ago, CrazyMonster said:

Both genders in Islam are asked to be equally modest.

 

Not only is that statement proven untrue by the fact that Nike is marketing, manufacturing, and selling this product exclusively to women, but your statement is also a ridiculously favorable generalization about the way over a billion different Muslims interpret and practice their faith.

 

 

[Guest]

42 minutes ago, CrazyMonster said:

Both genders in Islam are asked to be equally modest.

A man can have the whole heritage and if he has a sister she only gets 1/4 (something along those lines). I know cause my mom is experiencing this double standard right now. Islam needs reformation in my opinion, but doesn't mean people shouldn't be able to practice this religion in peace. It's just that when you read the biography of the "prophet Muhammad" (or any prophets for that matter, we all know deep down religions are fairytales) you wonder if he didn't have mommy issues and took it out on women to deal with it (his mom abandoned him as a child in a cruel way). Anyways I could go on and on.

 

[AlphaMonster 1,806]

I cringe every time they say "for muslim women". 

I was born and raised to a mostly muslim family in an overwhelmingly muslim country;

what I've always known was that "muslim women" did not wear hijab but only muslim women whose relatives saw their any cue to existence of their sexuality as a matter of honor to their bloodline.

Hijab is not a cover for head but cover for brain. I see definition of muslim women as hijabi more insulting than any mainstream islamophobia. I would be extremely ashamed to see any of my relatives in hijab, such symbol of backwardness that contradict with secular values of the civilized world. 

PS: This was about the phrase "muslim women" phrase, not the product. 

[Blueskye 1,087]

Double standards and capitalism aside. I agree with the positive exposure and normalisation of this. It's a gateway to other companies doing the same thing and in time it being viewed as a normal garment (that many women choose to wear). Rather that than what we have right now which is a lot of hatred in western countries towards anyone wearing these e.g. French police forcing women to remove them. If women choose to wear them then that should be their choice and nobody else's.