Nike to sell hijabs

[SKANK 14,288]

2 minutes ago, Born To Slay said:

People can follow whatever religious beliefs they want as long as it doesn't violate the rights of someone else. Nike is showing respect for their religious beliefs, that's why they're being praised.

 

Obviously people can follow whatever religion they please. I never suggested otherwise.

I just question the morality of a religion which requires one gender to display more modesty than the other, and I question Nike for profiting from that double standard of modesty.

 

Just now, littlepotter said:

You clearly haven't thought about this. Women who wear hijabs will still have to wear them regardless of Nike making sport hijabs or not. The difference is these women can now practice sports wearing this practical and comfortable hijab. It's allowing women to do things they couldn't before. What, did you think liberating those women means hijabs will magically disappear from the world?

 

Yes, I think "liberating" people from a gender double standard will remove the gender double standard.

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Definitely will get one 

[Morphine Prince 109,683]

13 minutes ago, SKANK said:

Does their culture and religion demand the same level of modesty of male athletes? If the answer to that is no, then I don't see why Nike selling a product which promotes and takes advantage of a gender double standard is something to praise.

Although this is a valid stance, I think this is the negative way of looking at it.

Women who wear hijabs are statistically less likely to participate in more involved physical activities because of the lack of comfortable and convenient hijab material they can wear and feel the need to wear. 

True they could just take the hijab off and be an athlete like anyone else, but that's not a realistic thing when many women feel devout to this practice. 

[littlepotter 76,612]

4 minutes ago, SKANK said:

 

Obviously people can follow whatever religion they please. I never suggested otherwise.

I just question the morality of a religion which requires one gender to display more modesty than the other, and I question Nike for profiting from that double standard of modesty.

 

 

Yes, I think "liberating" people from a gender double standard will remove the gender double standard.

 

Just now, Morphine Prince said:

Although this is a valid stance, I think this is the negative way of looking at it.

Women who wear hijabs are statistically less likely to participate in more involved physical activities because of the lack of comfortable and convenient hijab material they can wear and feel the need to wear. 

True they could just take the hijab off and be an athlete like anyone else, but that's not a realistic thing when many women feel devout to this practice. 

Basically this. You obviously haven't lived in an opressive country. It's not as easy as just 'deleting the burqa' and whoop problem solved. That is the ultimate goal, but meanwhile women either can wear the obstrusive burqa and not be able to comfortably move around or wear this.

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I see nothing wrong with these, these should have been available a while ago! Beautiful move on Nike and allowing all people to feel comfortable during physical activities!

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4 minutes ago, SKANK said:

Obviously people can follow whatever religion they please. I never suggested otherwise.

I just question the morality of a religion which requires one gender to display more modesty than the other.

I am muslim woman and I DON'T WEAR HIJAB. It is NOT REQUIRED for me to wear hijab to be a muslim woman. It is suggested in Kur'an but not required. 

First learn about my religion and then talk about it! 

Every person has rights to believe in what they want and you will have to deal with it. I am sick of you non muslims who are trying to make Islam look bad. Learn about it and then come talk to me or anyone else about it. 

Your only recipt is probably some news network who said that women are forced to wear hijab. And guess what? It is not true. 

[SKANK 14,288]

4 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Although this is a valid stance, I think this is the negative way of looking at it.

Women who wear hijabs are statistically less likely to participate in more involved physical activities because of the lack of comfortable and convenient hijab material they can wear and feel the need to wear. 

True they could just take the hijab off and be an athlete like anyone else, but that's not a realistic thing when many women feel devout to this practice. 

 

Just now, littlepotter said:

 

Basically this. You obviously haven't lived in an opressive country. It's not as easy as just 'deleting the burqa' and whoop problem solved. That is the ultimate goal, but meanwhile women either can wear the obstrusive burqa and not be able to comfortably move around or wear this.

 

I have no delusions about the difficulty in changing a culture's problematic practices. I know that it does not happen over night. But if the goal is to reject gender double standards, as you just claimed it was, then there is obviously no reason to celebrate a Western company profiting off of the sale of a garment which promotes a sexist view of modesty.

 

[Dominic 11,922]

 

15 minutes ago, SKANK said:

 

Obviously people can follow whatever religion they please. I never suggested otherwise.

I just question the morality of a religion which requires one gender to display more modesty than the other, and I question Nike for profiting from that double standard of modesty.

 

 

Yes, I think "liberating" people from a gender double standard will remove the gender double standard.

Isn't hijab a cultural thing and not religious? 

I do get what you're saying though and I've never thought of it from that perspective. Interesting 

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42 minutes ago, Edonis said:

Arent you the teen who's having really bad experiences/living in a country

 

Wasn't he banned twice? 

[SKANK 14,288]

9 minutes ago, donthatemeplss said:

I am muslim woman and I DON'T WEAR HIJAB. It is NOT REQUIRED for me to wear hijab to be a muslim woman. It is suggested in Kur'an but not required. 

First learn about my religion and then talk about it! 

Every person has rights to believe in what they want and you will have to deal with it. I am sick of you non muslims who are trying to make Islam look bad. Learn about it and then come talk to me or anyone else about it. 

Your only recipt is probably some news network who said that women are forced to wear hijab. And guess what? It is not true. 

 

I'm sorry if I upset you, but I didn't say the things you think I did. I think if you re-read my posts in this thread you'll see that I am arguing against gender double standards and not Islam.
 

7 minutes ago, Dominic Marc said:

 

Isn't hijab a cultural thing and not religious? 

I do get what you're saying though and I've never thought of it from that perspective. Interesting 

 

I said in my original post that we should reject cultural and religious gender double standards.

 

[lego 44,165]

1 hour ago, Morphine Prince said:

 

 

 

Beautiful commercial.

God, I LOVE Arabic language.  

 

 

[Moebius 8,965]

@Edonis nope, found nothing. But my reasons for not supporting any type of veil are based on my knowledge of my culture. Muslim faith is very close to our culture, and I despise it for that. Though thankfully, I don't live in a country as extreme as the middle eastern ones, it's effect is still there. One of my closest friends wanted to start wearing a hijab once. I strictly opposed, trying to change her mind about it. In the end her father wouldn't let her, even though her mother said she could do what she wants.
My problem is not the veil itself; it's what it symbolizes. It's like the Swastika (very exaggerated I know, but it's the best example I have rn); the only reason people get jailed in Germany for using it is for what it symbolizes. It doesn't hurt anyone (physically). The same is with the hijab. It's a symbol of oppression, and it will always be. Sometimes I feel like wearing it for "fashion" (no jabs at gaga here) is rude considering there are women I know that are socially forced to wear that thing. Socially, sometimes physically.

(LONG AND PERSONAL RANT ABOUT RELIGION INCOMING) I am very lucky to have parents that let me and my sisters freely form our view of the world. Religion never played a part in our lives, and I'm thankful for it. I have had the opportunity to view the culture from a neutral view, I know all of its flaws. Though it is in the Wests best intention and I understand that the western society wants to be accepting (and they have done it  ), some things are not to be accepted. Freedom of religion is a human right, but religion itself is more complex than it seems. IDK if I'll get WPs for this, and even if I do, I'll at least have this off my chest. The Church has been heavily reformed to meet the standards of society throughout the years, and even now, it has little power over the population. Atheism is rising, people are abandoning religion. I do commend Christianity for modernising heavily, and it's one of the few that has started to accept some of the most marginalized of society (LGBT community). That's because of where it is spread. Europe is the most advanced ground in the world, here included all the western civilization (Canada you too ofc <3 ). Here the people are educated and standards are high. It's a different life. Religion plays no role in the "unification" of society, or in the daily lives of society itself. Islam does, however. And it's not entirely its fault, but where it is spread. Countries are poor, the population is uneducated. Not everyone has the same privileges as I had. My father never was into religion from the start, my mother was upper-middle class. I was never told that the LGBT community should die, never told that women have to do this and men have to do that. But I know families that had those kind of narrow views, and still have. Which is why I never really had many friends. My political and societal views alienated most, but now I do have friends who I can talk to about these things. A big role in my liberal views was Gaga herself, and she's been a role model ever since I heard BTW. Also my sister, the original Gaga stan, whom I love so much for making me the person I am today.
My point is that the West sees religion in their view, they model it after the calmer, more laid back Christianity. They have to see it from this point of view too. 
I'm deeply sorry for the long rant, it's just an ad and it kinda set me off a little. No hate to anybody, especially women who wear veils. My only beef is with religion itself, and how it manipulates the views of a society. @Edonis also sorry for tagging you, lol, 
 

[imnotyourbabe10 6,120]

Oh capitalism pretending to be progressive

...reminds me of how stores market to make a profit every historical marker month (Black History in Feb. or LGBTQ Pride in June) 

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Applause ha impact 

[Dominic 11,922]

9 minutes ago, SKANK said:

I said in my original post that we should reject cultural and religious gender double standards.

 

The way you expressed it seems to have caused confusion for people it seems. 

Either way, I agree but it seems to be such a sweeping generalisation at the same time. Many women choose to wear them. It's such a complex thing that opens up a lot of grey areas.