monsterdino 31,991 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Assarrai said: You forgot, a 'vocalist', a true singer, you know the primary fundamental to be in this industry that a lot of "artists" doesn't/couldn't master 14 minutes ago, monsterdino said: Greatest Living Artist? NO Gretest Living Performer? Maybe. Beyonce for me is not artist, but a great singer and dancer. Sorry but she needs 1000 producers and writers for her songs, where's other ARTISTS just write/produce themselves or with help of 2-3 co-writers/co-producers and it's not all about the songs but I doubt that she is the mastermind behind her performancers or music videos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsterdino 31,991 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 2 hours ago, vivre sa vie said: and UNEDUCATED she doesn't know how to speak! She has a whole team behind her! She doesnt know a sh*t! This, lmao she even hired writers for her Grammy acceptence speech and she couldn't even remeber it so she read it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsterdino 31,991 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 2 hours ago, ItsTommyBitch said: The bolded is false. Also, unrelated to the quote, ya'll need to learn that you don't have to pen your own songs to be a musician, the same way you don't need to be a producer, or a composer Its just such a tired argument thats based on "I feel this way, so its true!" and its so tired. musician agree you dont have to, but artist yes you do have to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyerased 2,883 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Is she the greatest musician now? No. I'd argue that Mariah and Madonna's lyrical and musical works are better. But she is undoubtedly among her female peers the best performer. She is a good curator. The only thing stopping me is that her "art" doesn't feel organic. It doesn't feel sincere. It was carefully constructed by a professional team behind the scenes to project a larger than life image. So no, you can't say that Beyonce ALONE is the greatest artist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsterdino 31,991 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 2 hours ago, BrothaGaga said: I say Björk. Consistent artistry and imagery. Thank you!!!!!!!! Björk is a perfect definiton of what a real artist is suppoused to be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayhemPop 32 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I'm old kids. For pop stars, we used to have Janet Jackson. Whitney. Kylie. Sade. Hell, Amy Winehouse. Beyonce is great because everyone else is watered down. (Gaga excluded. She's in a class of her own because she can actually play. And I just love her.) I do love a few Bey songs, but pit her against Whitney in her non cracked out prime? No dice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hades 27,980 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 24 minutes ago, Assarrai said: lol Madonna was never capable to dance nor sing like Beyoncé. I'd put her and Britney in the same category, just "entertainers". And why did you have to quote me and not just post your opinion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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2007 5,291 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 29 minutes ago, monsterdino said: Okay lets take Beyonce as a 'performer'. she's good at what she does know and for other stuff like song-writting and producing (stuff she's unfamiliar with) she hires people who're skilled in that department so her final work would be well thought from all aspects and neat by all means of the word. While lets take a look at "artist", I'll use madonna as an example, although she's the master of her work (the wizard behind the curtain), her song writing is mediocre, her dancing is okay at best, and she's not a very good live singer. So me as a consumer if I had to choose between the two singers albums, with all due respect to madonna and her "artsy" but I really don't care whats goes behind the scene or 'who wrote this or produced that' if the final product (songs) is solid (sounds good), so my pick is Beyonce; and same goes to live concerts, Beyonce serves a better show by far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsterdino 31,991 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Assarrai said: While lets take a look at "artist", I'll use madonna as an example, although she's the master of her work (the wizard behind the curtain), her song writing is mediocre, her dancing is okay at best, and she's not a very good live singer. So me as a consumer if I had to choose between the two singers albums, with all due respect to madonna and her "artsy" but I really don't care whats goes behind the scene or 'who wrote this or produced that' if the final product (songs) is solid (sounds good), so my pick is Beyonce; and same goes to live concerts, Beyonce serves a better show by far. Well atleast she created the concepts for her albums, covers, music videos, songs or whatnot and that makes her atleast an artist. I didn't say whose songs are better, I just said that Beyonce is not an artist. Plus I'm sure you've never heared Madonna's work past her 10's. They are waaaay better thank what you think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fame Joanne 5,985 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Last time I checked Madonna was alive you don't have to like her recent stuff and attitude but don't act like she's not the biggest music legend alive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007 5,291 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 21 minutes ago, monsterdino said: Well atleast she created the concepts for her albums, covers, music videos, songs or whatnot and that makes her atleast an artist. I didn't say whose songs are better, I just said that Beyonce is not an artist. Plus I'm sure you've never heared Madonna's work past her 10's. They are waaaay better thank what you think. Again madonna created all that herself, true. But still not as good, thats my point. Ive heard most of madonnas hits, my personal favorite is 'Ray Of Light' which I've discovered later was a cover (quite disappointing). None of her work comes close to Halo imo. And I believe the word "artist" is used loosely in that article, bet they meant 'singer' but the term 'artist' is used on everybody associated in the industry; that being said, Beyonce is one of if not the greatest living musician today, she's been playing her cards right to maintain her status since 'BEYONCE' album and I can see the direction and imagery she's going with her next work; kudos to her for having a long going career and she's going stronger than ever today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronyoji 2,054 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 god, acts all artsy fartsy the past two and a half years and all of a sudden people call you a revolutionary creative spirit thats been paving the way from day one.... beyonce is a performer, not an artist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epione 10,896 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Beyonce is not educated enough to know these things. Her team created it and she is announced as best artist. These experts should check their heads. Seriously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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