15jocart 2,305 Posted February 4, 2017 Author Share Posted February 4, 2017 19 minutes ago, Runway said: If she wasn't white this wouldn't even be an issue so no lol ....wrong Been a long time but I'm back in town, and this time I'm not leaving without you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Peters 10,766 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, 15jocart said: ....wrong that explains why beyonce was allowed to appropriate a culture in that coldplay video and nicki was given a free pass for the nazi crap in her 'only' mv emma roberts is an abuser Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miel 15,009 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Evan Peters said: that explains why beyonce was allowed to appropriate a culture in that coldplay video and nicki was given a free pass for the nazi crap in her 'only' mv To be fair, they were given crap for that. I mean, obviously not to the extent that Gaga ever gets, like, anything, but still. They did. And imo it's still bad that they did that. It's bad when a white person appropriates something not of their culture and without particular reason to, and it's still bad when a POC does the same. Trust me- I've known way too many rich suburban Asian kids who think they can be "ghetto", smdh. 3 points in and ready for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miel 15,009 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 On the note of Gaga- I agree that transgendered and orient are very, very outdated terms. That said, I feel like it's a much more complex issue, considering that she said she was inspired by many letters and personal experiences from her fans who have claimed those terms as their own, and rightfully so. My own personal conclusion- while it is generally not a good thing that a white person can state such terms (as it does not apply to them, their community, or their experiences), this song itself was written as a sort of multi-variable perspective, both through Gaga's experiences, and her fans who have experienced and reclaimed those terms as their own. 3 points in and ready for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudasIsAHolyFoo 3,278 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 I feel like people would act the same way that Canadians did when they changed the anthem to be more gender neutral Monster Ball 2010, Monster Ball 2011, Born This Way Ball 2013, artRAVE 2014, Joanne World Tour 2017 (Both Nights in Toronto) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iCpro 14,846 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 No one's born Muslim or an immigrant, it's an acquired status, so it doesn't really fit the song 08, 09, 11, 13, 16, 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAlienatedNYC 619 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Those words have now this offensive potential, I know, but I think the song should reamin the same for one reason: using those "offensive" words to show that it's okay when someone says or thinks that about you. I don't know if you guys got me, but I will use another example: I live in Brazil (that's why my english is always broken - and I always forget some word and have to edit ) and about 5 years ago, people used to call "fa**ot" and "bitch" as insults, but after the internet groups have discussed a lot about this, they see those words that once were offensive with a proud vision. Like "I'm a fa**ot and it's okay" and people actually call each other fa**ots or bitches, cause these persons see it normal, with good eyes. I still don't know if y'all got me, but that's it. Chola, orient made can be stay. Trangendered should really change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ooolong 4,440 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 I don't know anyone who is offended by Born This Way's lyrics other than conservative, white straights . It is still considered an anthem of acceptance by many, even if its terms seem a tad outdated now. If anyone is offended by the lyrics, don't, because this song was undoubtedly written with no intention of harm or offense. The Unbannable Chanteuse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doppelganger 3,969 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 14 minutes ago, iCpro said: No one's born Muslim Oh, how little you know! I was assigned the religion from birth, and cannot change that status Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iCpro 14,846 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 2 hours ago, doppelganger said: Oh, how little you know! I was assigned the religion from birth, and cannot change that status 08, 09, 11, 13, 16, 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidi Montag 409 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 No. Even though transgendered does always sound wrong to me, I don't think she should play into little feminists being triggered. It would just make her look even more like a joke to normal people than the Clinton campaign fiasco did. Buy SUPERFICIAL on iTunes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
15jocart 2,305 Posted February 4, 2017 Author Share Posted February 4, 2017 3 hours ago, Evan Peters said: that explains why beyonce was allowed to appropriate a culture in that coldplay video and nicki was given a free pass for the nazi crap in her 'only' mv ...actually, they were given slack for that. Any celebrity should be held accountable for their actions. Not sure why her whiteness makes it more or less of an issue. 3 hours ago, iCpro said: No one's born Muslim or an immigrant, it's an acquired status, so it doesn't really fit the song They were just supposed to be topical to today's issues 3 hours ago, TheAlienatedNYC said: Those words have now this offensive potential, I know, but I think the song should reamin the same for one reason: using those "offensive" words to show that it's okay when someone says or thinks that about you. I don't know if you guys got me, but I will use another example: I live in Brazil (that's why my english is always broken - and I always forget some word and have to edit ) and about 5 years ago, people used to call "fa**ot" and "bitch" as insults, but after the internet groups have discussed a lot about this, they see those words that once were offensive with a proud vision. Like "I'm a fa**ot and it's okay" and people actually call each other fa**ots or bitches, cause these persons see it normal, with good eyes. I still don't know if y'all got me, but that's it. Chola, orient made can be stay. Trangendered should really change. I'm glad you are personally able to reclaim "fa**ot." However, chola isn't really reclaimed in such a way, and orient(al) is literally a term that should only be used to describe rugs tbh. 39 minutes ago, Heidi Montag said: No. Even though transgendered does always sound wrong to me, I don't think she should play into little feminists being triggered. It would just make her look even more like a joke to normal people than the Clinton campaign fiasco did. What does feminism have to do with literally any of this Been a long time but I'm back in town, and this time I'm not leaving without you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
15jocart 2,305 Posted February 4, 2017 Author Share Posted February 4, 2017 3 hours ago, Miel said: On the note of Gaga- I agree that transgendered and orient are very, very outdated terms. That said, I feel like it's a much more complex issue, considering that she said she was inspired by many letters and personal experiences from her fans who have claimed those terms as their own, and rightfully so. My own personal conclusion- while it is generally not a good thing that a white person can state such terms (as it does not apply to them, their community, or their experiences), this song itself was written as a sort of multi-variable perspective, both through Gaga's experiences, and her fans who have experienced and reclaimed those terms as their own. Literally this. Thank you for being the only person to get this so far. I think that it's okay that she was inspired by her personal issues but she is also aware of people's sensitivities (she has to be, that's the point of the song). I'm sure that she is aware that they are outdated terms, and I hope she sees in the future to correct (especially transgendered, which is literally the easiest fix possible). Been a long time but I'm back in town, and this time I'm not leaving without you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miel 15,009 Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 16 hours ago, 15jocart said: Literally this. Thank you for being the only person to get this so far. I think that it's okay that she was inspired by her personal issues but she is also aware of people's sensitivities (she has to be, that's the point of the song). I'm sure that she is aware that they are outdated terms, and I hope she sees in the future to correct (especially transgendered, which is literally the easiest fix possible). Good point! I don't mind if she doesn't change the lyrics, except maybe for transgendered. To take off the past tense would honestly not affect the song at all, tbh. 20 hours ago, Ooolong said: I don't know anyone who is offended by Born This Way's lyrics other than conservative, white straights . It is still considered an anthem of acceptance by many, even if its terms seem a tad outdated now. If anyone is offended by the lyrics, don't, because this song was undoubtedly written with no intention of harm or offense. I agree. It is a beautiful song on acceptance and equality, but it is also worth acknowledging its outdatedness. It's a perfect indication of the context of the song, in its particular date and time. 3 points in and ready for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginalMonster 80 Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 "Chola" and "orient" were just as outdated and possibly offensive when the song was released, and I remember people talking about this at the time, which leads me to believe Gaga used the terms purposefully to "reclaim" them or something similar, in the way of just embracing who you are no matter what you may be called. I don't think that "transgendered" really stands out in the song. Personally, as far as I remember, I always thought she just said "transgender." So she could change it, but I'm not sure the "-ed" stands out enough for anyone to really notice if it were suddenly gone. As far as the use of the term, she probably made it into an adjective on purpose to describe "life" and wouldn't have otherwise used it on its own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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