The hypocrisy towards witchcraft and Azealia Banks

[PaperIz 7,346]

Christianity and so on is mocked endlessly, the terrifying practice of sacrificing anything shouldn't be excused.

[Bayonetta 9,844]

Just now, Born To Slay said:

I can't believe I'm having this convo but it's my duty as a vegan to educate 

Drag them to filth, queen

I'm not a vegan but I try to eat as little meat as I can, I'll probably go full vegetarian when I'm older though  (I love cheese too much to go full vegan ). 

[Bebe 17,094]

3 minutes ago, lego said:

Which Western countries actually recognize witchcraft as a religion? Are they allowed to have temples, rooms for animal sacrifices etc? 

 

What if person's religion doesn't allow him/her to respect witchcraft or to believe it's just harmless religion? What if it's seen as evil? Will you respect that? 

 

 

 

There is nothing wrong with criticising religions or religious beliefs like AB's  There is nothing wrong with calling practices like this evil, I would just question how effective it is in changing behaviours like those displayed by AB.

I would also question why AB's behaviour here is seen as so deplorable, evil and unforgivable when the majority of Americans support industries that lead to chickens being treated in ways that are not that different and are often worse.

I think AB's actions are unnecessarily cruel, but I'm able to see that the way to change those actions is not by calling her beliefs whacky and evil. I'm able to see that to her, those beliefs come with a lot of sensitive cultural and religious baggage and that's it's probably more effective to approach the subject of animal cruelty from a different angle. 

I'm also unwilling to deem AB's actions as unforgivable and evil when I used to eat meat, I still consume animal products that no doubt contribute to animal suffering and most of my friends live on an omnivore diet and support industries that contribute to far worse suffering. We at least need to understand that, culturally, this is how the majority of us treat animals. If not personally, the majority of us support industries that contribute to this sort of treatment of animals on a very large scale.

The problem seems to be a selective outrage. It's awful for AB to do this, but most of us can turn a blind eye to the meat industry, fur industry, factory farming, entertainment, experimentation that is contributing to far more animal suffering. For those of us who care about animal welfare, the issue seems to be larger than AB and it seems (to some of us) to be more effective to fight the battle separately from any emotional, cultural, religious contexts and instead focus on why animal suffering is a moral evil. If we can convince people of that then I think they will stop such practices on their own accord.

[Born To Slay 10,996]

Just now, Enigma said:

You think an animal suffers more because you can imagine what is happening to the animal happening to you since we have much more similar bodies to animals then plants. But what about when plants are polluted, pulled, cut, twisted, and sometimes eaten alive? And the cost here is not really part of our discussion.

No I think the animal suffers more because people actually ****ing torture them, as far as the plant goes, the only cruelty will come when it's killed while with with the animal it's on going form a long period of time. 

And the cost should be a part of our discussion because all the plant pain ur concerned about is also on the hands of meat eaters. When buy a steak, u not only paid to have the cow killed but ur also responsible for all the plants that were fed to the cow, meaning that far more plant pain happened.

[Bayonetta 9,844]

2 minutes ago, PaperIz said:

Christianity and so on is mocked endlessly, the terrifying practice of sacrificing anything shouldn't be excused.

 

I don't mind people mocking it personally, but it's just the hypocrisy behind their mocking is what bothers me 

[beverlyhills 287]

8 minutes ago, RabbitHeart said:

This ignores the intersectionality between religion and race, though. The reason why so many people are quick to look down upon her religion and its practices is because it is a traditional African religion that Western civilization (a.k.a. the caucasians, the whites™) looked down upon and specifically associated and taught its people to associate with "savages" and being "uncivilized". The reason her religion is in this position, instead of say Christianity, is because her ancestors weren't white. It involves race and IS racist.

Again, different cultures. The West =/= Africa so of course there's going to be ignorance because people are ignorant to different things but Christianity is also mocked and many black people are Christian, so? I respect traditions but I also respect opinions and so if someone thinks it's disgusting who am I or you to tell them it's not? It's an opinion after all.

[Born To Slay 10,996]

1 minute ago, Paris Hilton said:

Drag them to filth, queen

I'm not a vegan but I try to eat as little meat as I can, I'll probably go full vegetarian when I'm older though  (I love cheese too much to go full vegan ). 

There's actually a lot of great vegan cheese out there. I still eat pizza and grilled cheese. I'd recommend trying daiya cheese before ruling it out. (not to sound preachy but once again, vegan duty to tell u this)

[lego 44,165]

5 minutes ago, aquariumlust said:

Absolutely. Do I personally allow disrespect when engaging with me? Absolutely not. I expect respect for my beliefs with anyone I speak to because I give people that same respect.

There is no debate. Witchcraft/Wicca is recognized as a religion in the US and there were decrees along with this that allowed prisoners/military to be given the tools to practice.

 

 

But they can't really respect you nor your practices when their religion forbids them to. So it doesn't really make sense, if someone believes it's twisted and wrong to make spells and sacrifice animals to try to harm other people, make them ill or whatever, that is their belief. And you said every belief should be respected, so that includes their intolerance towards witchcraft.

I don't find any neutral source about whether witchcraft is recognized as official religion in the Western countries. 

 

[Bayonetta 9,844]

1 minute ago, Born To Slay said:

There's actually a lot of great vegan cheese out there. I still eat pizza and grilled cheese. I'd recommend trying daiya cheese before ruling it out. (not to sound preachy but once again, vegan duty to tell u this)

 

I'll try it out, thanks! 

[Quark 7,098]

2 minutes ago, Born To Slay said:

No I think the animal suffers more because people actually ****ing torture them, as far as the plant goes, the only cruelty will come when it's killed while with with the animal it's on going form a long period of time. 

And the cost should be a part of our discussion because all the plant pain ur concerned about is also on the hands of meat eaters. When buy a steak, u not only paid to have the cow killed but ur also responsible for all the plants that were fed to the cow, meaning that far more plant pain happened.

I am only talking about pain because you insist that killing plant life is OK. But in that case it should also be OK to kill animal life as long as they are treated adequately throughout their lives. Also, animals will it plants whether we kill them or not.

[Fingerella 3,170]

FYI other religions get ridiculed too by other people why should witchcraft be any different? People have different opinions whether it's negative or positive. And it's even a lot worse now because Azealia just became its recent public figure who's quite infamous for her questionable behavior the past few years. 

[Dorothy Gale 7,575]

39 minutes ago, beverlyhills said:

How can you be racist towards a religion, sweetheart? 

Obviously traditional African religions aren't treated with as much respect as Western religions? 

That's common sense sweetie. 

[who 16]

maybe we just shouldn't kill animals in the name of lunacy

[Born To Slay 10,996]

Just now, Enigma said:

I am only talking about pain because you insist that killing plant life is OK. But in that case it should also be OK to kill animal life as long as they are treated adequately throughout their lives. Also, animals will it plants whether we kill them or not.

I insist killing plants for eating in ok but because it's the way to eat that causes the least harm and pain. Whether in terms of animals or plants, eating a piece of meat leads to more death, so you should make the choice that leads to the least death. 

And baiut animals killing plants, we breed animals to eat them, meaning that more plants are killed then would've been if we didn't breed them just to kill them.

[Bebe 17,094]

Just now, Enigma said:

I am only talking about pain because you insist that killing plant life is OK. But in that case it should also be OK to kill animal life as long as they are treated adequately throughout their lives. Also, animals will it plants whether we kill them or not.

Plants do not feel pain, even in the article you linked it expressly said scientists don't say plants feel pain. There is a difference between being able to react to stimuli and being able to feel pain.

Farm animals are bred for the purposes of us eating them  Most of the crops we grow are used to feed the animals we are breeding for human consumption! There would be far less animals eating far less plants if we stopped breeding them to eat!