Melbourne bomb attacks prevented by police

[lego 44,165]

People need to learn about the gray zone

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/17/islamic-states-goal-eliminating-the-grayzone-of-coexistence-between-muslims-and-the-west/

 

While ISIS initially endorsed the killings on purely religious grounds, calling the murdered cartoonists blasphemers, in Dabiq the group offered another, more chilling rationale for its support.

The attack had “further [brought] division to the world,” the group said, boasting that it had polarized society and “eliminated the grayzone,” representing coexistence between religious groups. As a result, it said, Muslims living in the West would soon no longer be welcome in their own societies. Treated with increasing suspicion, distrust and hostility by their fellow citizens as a result of the deadly shooting, Western Muslims would soon be forced to “either apostatize … or they [migrate] to the Islamic State, and thereby escape persecution from the crusader governments and citizens,” the group stated, while threatening of more attacks to come.

 

They are calling Western governments who bomb them - Crusader governments, this is the reason places of worship and religious holidays are chosen. The division. They want to eliminate the grey zone and they want to bring the war zone from ME to the West. 

 

 

 

If you want to dig deeper about political aspect and history of these groups, this article explains some things 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq?client=safari

The war on terror, that campaign without end launched 14 years ago by George Bush, is tying itself up in ever more grotesque contortions. On Monday the trial in London of a Swedish man, Bherlin Gildo, accused of terrorism in Syria, collapsed after it became clear British intelligence had been arming the same rebel groups the defendant was charged with supporting. 

The prosecution abandoned the case, apparently to avoid embarrassing the intelligence services. 

....

In reality, US and western policy in the conflagration that is now the Middle East is in the classic mould of imperial divide-and-rule. American forces bomb one set of rebels while backing another in Syria, and mount what are effectively joint military operations with Iran against Isis in Iraq while supporting Saudi Arabia’s military campaign against Iranian-backed Houthi forces in Yemen. However confused US policy may often be, a weak, partitioned Iraq and Syria fit such an approach perfectly.

What’s clear is that Isis and its monstrosities won’t be defeated by the same powers that brought it to Iraq and Syria in the first place, or whose open and covert war-making has fostered it in the years since. Endless western military interventions in the Middle East have brought only destruction and division. It’s the people of the region who can cure this disease – not those who incubated the virus.

 

 

 

 

You can't win if you don't know your enemy. 

And no, I don't have a solution, I'm not a politician. 

[lego 44,165]

13 minutes ago, Prince Bananas said:

They way religious people act in all those countries surprises me. Here when abortion and gay marriage were almost legal what most people did was pray and that's all. 

 

You mean bomb attacks on women clinics by religious fanatics never happened? 

 

 

I assumed you were from the US, sorry. Don't know about the situation in Mexico. 

[LUO YI 6,089]

2 minutes ago, lego said:

 

You mean bomb attacks on women clinics by religious fanatics never happened? 

 

 

I assumed you were from the US, sorry. Don't know about the situation in Mexico. 

Well, here it isn't common to see bomb attacks. Tragedies happen when people want to speak their minds about how wrong our government is. They are killed and the state acts like nothing has happened here. 

[DeleteMyAccount 11,881]

47 minutes ago, The Fame Joanne said:

This religion definitely has a problem  

But let's not start hating on Muslims in general 

ISIS is NOT a religion. Especially when they murder more Muslims than other groups.

[The Child 18,997]

9 minutes ago, lego said:

People need to learn about the gray zone

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/17/islamic-states-goal-eliminating-the-grayzone-of-coexistence-between-muslims-and-the-west/

 

While ISIS initially endorsed the killings on purely religious grounds, calling the murdered cartoonists blasphemers, in Dabiq the group offered another, more chilling rationale for its support.

The attack had “further [brought] division to the world,” the group said, boasting that it had polarized society and “eliminated the grayzone,” representing coexistence between religious groups. As a result, it said, Muslims living in the West would soon no longer be welcome in their own societies. Treated with increasing suspicion, distrust and hostility by their fellow citizens as a result of the deadly shooting, Western Muslims would soon be forced to “either apostatize … or they [migrate] to the Islamic State, and thereby escape persecution from the crusader governments and citizens,” the group stated, while threatening of more attacks to come.

 

They are calling Western governments who bomb them - Crusader governments, this is the reason places of worship and religious holidays are chosen. The division. They want to eliminate the grey zone and they want to bring the war zone from ME to the West. 

 

 

 

If you want to dig deeper about political aspect and history of these groups, this article explains some things 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq?client=safari

The war on terror, that campaign without end launched 14 years ago by George Bush, is tying itself up in ever more grotesque contortions. On Monday the trial in London of a Swedish man, Bherlin Gildo, accused of terrorism in Syria, collapsed after it became clear British intelligence had been arming the same rebel groups the defendant was charged with supporting. 

The prosecution abandoned the case, apparently to avoid embarrassing the intelligence services. 

....

In reality, US and western policy in the conflagration that is now the Middle East is in the classic mould of imperial divide-and-rule. American forces bomb one set of rebels while backing another in Syria, and mount what are effectively joint military operations with Iran against Isis in Iraq while supporting Saudi Arabia’s military campaign against Iranian-backed Houthi forces in Yemen. However confused US policy may often be, a weak, partitioned Iraq and Syria fit such an approach perfectly.

What’s clear is that Isis and its monstrosities won’t be defeated by the same powers that brought it to Iraq and Syria in the first place, or whose open and covert war-making has fostered it in the years since. Endless western military interventions in the Middle East have brought only destruction and division. It’s the people of the region who can cure this disease – not those who incubated the virus.

 

 

 

 

You can't win if you don't know your enemy. 

And no, I don't have a solution, I'm not a politician. 

Even if you're not a politician, I'm sure you thought of a possible solution, if so can you share it with me ? I'm curious to know about it.

[Cssomeone 1,717]

1 hour ago, CrazyMonster said:

Really? That's all you think about after reading this? Pathetic & disgusting. 

Pressed much? I didn't even have to mention any religion, and you already knew what I was talking about. I guess there is a serious problem in society nowadays, isn't there? I am not hating on anyone though  Go back to your perfect fantasy world where people can't express their opinions. And while there, try to find someone to get laid, it may calm your nerves!

[lego 44,165]

13 minutes ago, CrazyMonster said:

Even if you're not a politician, I'm sure you thought of a possible solution, if so can you share it with me ? I'm curious to know about it.

 

I don't know... 

I think all governments ****ed up big time, this has been going on for so many years, it only got worse and now there's no way back.

These days, with Internet and social media, it seems easy to brainwash young, impressionable people on other side of the world, with radical rhetoric. 

The civilians suffer the most and that's why I don't believe drones and years of air-strikes will destroy these groups. People complain about refugees, but no one complains about politicians, no one cares about stopping these wars, which create more refugees.

Someone once said, if terror attacks in the West made people to vote for Trump and other similar right-wing radicals, how about decades of bomb attacks in the ME, they fuel radicalization. And it makes sense, poverty and war are perfect for these groups.  

I think the article has a point that people of the region need to unite and fight this evil by themselves, but then again so many of those countries are ruled by dictators, who torture their opponents, steal public wealth and benefit from the wars and instability.  

I wish I knew. I know that coexistence and peace was possible many times in the past and the superficial blame game won't help anyone. 

[Kayla 7,595]

3 hours ago, Cssomeone said:

I wonder what religion they follow 

2 hours ago, monstereo said:

Lets see, another attack in the name of Islam?

I'm sure they were also men too.

It's funny how people have no problem going "SEE- MUSLIM/ISLAM!" but seem to conveniently ignore the fact that the common demographic thread between terrorist attacks of ALL religions is that the violators are men.

Perhaps when criticizing someone's religion we could also stand to criticize how violence as a method of recognition and 'problem-solving' is horribly pervasive in male culture worldwide.
We seem to only point a finger at the parts of a person we can't identify with and turn a blind eye to the problematic sides of them we identify with, don't we?

[uo111 5,282]

2 hours ago, monstereo said:

People saying this attack isn't religiously motivated?

Why do you think they specifically chose Christmas for the time to strike?

To get people to react in exactly the way you are reacting.

1 hour ago, Cssomeone said:

Pressed much? I didn't even have to mention any religion, and you already knew what I was talking about. I guess there is a serious problem in society nowadays, isn't there? I am not hating on anyone though  Go back to your perfect fantasy world where people can't express their opinions. And while there, try to find someone to get laid, it may calm your nerves!

He didn't mention what you were "talking about."
What exactly do you think he thinks you are talking about?

[Buddy 5,686]

2 hours ago, CrazyMonster said:

Just like Christianity had at the time of the Crusade.

The crusades aren't now sis

[Buddy 5,686]

58 minutes ago, Kayla said:

I'm sure they were also men too.

It's funny how people have no problem going "SEE- MUSLIM/ISLAM!" but seem to conveniently ignore the fact that the common demographic thread between terrorist attacks of ALL religions is that the violators are men.

Perhaps when criticizing someone's religion we could also stand to criticize how violence as a method of recognition and 'problem-solving' is horribly pervasive in male culture worldwide.
We seem to only point a finger at the parts of a person we can't identify with and turn a blind eye to the problematic sides of them we identify with, don't we?

We should ban everyone from entering America tbh 

[Kayla 7,595]

Just now, Currents said:

We should ban everyone from entering America tbh 

It's for their own good so they don't have to suffer through our bullshit at this point  

[The Child 18,997]

10 hours ago, Cssomeone said:

Pressed much? I didn't even have to mention any religion, and you already knew what I was talking about. I guess there is a serious problem in society nowadays, isn't there? I am not hating on anyone though  Go back to your perfect fantasy world where people can't express their opinions. And while there, try to find someone to get laid, it may calm your nerves!

???

9 hours ago, Currents said:

The crusades aren't now sis

Really, wow I didn't know that. Guess you learn something everyday.

[Hurem 17,801]

Oh, so the religion is completely irrelevant? Interesting.

[imnotyourbabe10 6,120]

Kind of off topic but if anyone is curious as to why the status-quo stays the same during crises, shocks, disasters, etc; here is a good read/summary.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine