more electors defected from Hillary Clinton than from Trump

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31 minutes ago, Born To Slay said:

Well, if more people vote democrat, then the democrat should win. Whether the people live in the city or not. If the people in the Midwest can't build a coalition, then too bad for them.

Tht wouldnt be fair. People are just upset because they'll make any excuse to not have Trump as president. None of the country would be represented besides NY,PA,TX and CA

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46 minutes ago, Mistress Dita said:

Tht wouldnt be fair. People are just upset because they'll make any excuse to not have Trump as president. None of the country would be represented besides NY,PA,TX and CA

Non representation and being out voted are different things. Just because your side wasn't outvoted, doesn't mean you weren't represented. 

Also, before you accuse me of being biased, I've always been against the electoral college

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3 hours ago, PaperIz said:

 

I honestly think that makes us better. The GP and half of you sacrifice your morals and this is what happens. Let a good candidate have a shot and maybe something good would happen. We were given two forms of evil and expected to choose. I won't stick with anyone I don't believe in. That's what the real issue is here. 

A good candidate did have a shot. She even won 3 million more votes than the guy that actually won the presidency 

It's not sacrificing your morals to vote strategically. Politics isn't a moral game, it's a game of intelligence and occasionally you have to settle for your second choice. These electors voting for a guy that lost fair and square to a superior candidate (imo), that's an objective failure. I have nothing against Bernie at all, I even supported him during the primaries, but it's beyond foolish to not realize that we'd do better under Hillary than under Trump. You don't like her. Great. Awesome. But you'd agree with her policies and platform and that is why she should've gotten your vote. The fact that she was against this terrible, hateful, incompetent man should just give you even more reasons.

Why did she lose?

Decades of witch hunts and "scandals" being blown out of proportion. A politician that made a mistake became "the treasonous criminal!". The politician that has an organization that's saved millions of lives became "Crooked! Corrupt! Evil!". The woman who's always fought for human rights, especially women, children, families, and (eventually) the LGBT community and racial minorities became "Hateful! 'Basket of deplorables?!' How could she?!" The expert with 40+ years of experience became "the establishment's wh0re! She'll strip you all of your rights!!".

Childishness from BernieBros that couldn't accept a fair loss. I was in Bernie's camp but he lost. There was no crooked happenings, no slander, just the DNC privately sh*t talking the guy that wasn't even a Democrat before this. Is it nice? No. Should they have been rude like that, even in private? No. But he wasn't cheated, it wasn't rigged, he lost, but people just can't accept that. Even after the election is over, these morons still cast their votes for him, stealing them away from Hillary.

Jill Stein and her followers. This woman...it took Trump winning for her to wise up and realize that her far left liberal agenda would go farther under a Clinton administration but too little, too late. She spent months slandering Hillary while pushing this false anti-Clinton propaganda. She even said at one point that Trump would be better. How f*cking stupid is that?! Like, if you support Trump, whatever, but for a liberal to say the regressive is better than the middle-left candidate is just stupid. Literally stupid. Don't even get me started on the people that apparently hold no convictions whatsoever. How one jumps from a democratic socialist in Bernie to Gary Johnson, a Libertarian that wants to privatize everything and feels that we don't need to treat issues such as climate change because "we're all going to die eventually anyway" is beyond me.

Finally, the worst of all, the people that just couldn't be bothered. They just don't care. The lumps that can't get off their asses once every four years to decide who will run our country for four to eight years. Just over half of Americans voted. That's a damn shame that only just over half even cared.

So yes, this was Hillary's election to lose and she lost but by no fault of her own. Everything was stacked against her. Sexism, witch hunts, propaganda, dishonesty from her opponents, stupidity, and childishness. She's a strong woman, an amazing politician, and someone I've come to admire. And if this country were a real democracy, she'd be our 45th president. Instead, we'll suffer with Trump for all the reasons above.

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Sorry, I've had that building up for a month and I needed to unload some

It's not directed at you, I'm just so f*cking angry

 

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6 minutes ago, PartySick said:

 

So yes, this was Hillary's election to lose and she lost but by no fault of her own. Everything was stacked against her. Sexism, witch hunts, propaganda, dishonesty from her opponents, stupidity, and childishness. She's a strong woman, an amazing politician, and someone I've come to admire. And if this country were a real democracy, she'd be our 45th president. Instead, we'll suffer with Trump for all the reasons above.

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Sorry, I've had that building up for a month and I needed to unload some

It's not directed at you, I'm just so f*cking angry

 

I do admire Hillary's tough struggle in the realm of politics. But these past 15 years, she has proved she is the most corrupt politican to run for office in modern times. I recommend watching Clinton Cash, very informative about her and Bill's corruption and crime they committed once leaving the white house

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16 hours ago, Woolfsmck said:

http://www.vox.com/2016/12/19/14012970/electoral-college-faith-spotted-eagle-colin-powell?yptr=yahoo

 

I don't agree... The electoral  college is was designed to protect the rural population from being left out.  Hillary won most of the major cities and population centers. 

Regions she campaigned and made promises to the most.

The rural population was left out somewhat by the demeocratic party , hence Trump gained support in those regions.  

Trump garnered a greater land mass area of support but concentrated population centers went to Hillary, therefore she gained the popular vote edge.

It isn't perfect, but it does prevent the the rural population from being left out.

To me, Hillary lost the election more than Trump won it.

Why should the rurals be given disproportionate power?

 

I dunno what the figures are like in the US but here in Canada its 81% who live in cities

 

Id be dammed if the 19% rurals got more weight than 19%...

 

This isnt a munincipal Government its a Government for everyone so Popular vote is what should count not whos from where...

 

Ok popular vote doesnt work fully cuz of electors and seats but... still, at least be proportionate

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34 minutes ago, Gaga Monster said:

I do admire Hillary's tough struggle in the realm of politics. But these past 15 years, she has proved she is the most corrupt politican to run for office in modern times. I recommend watching Clinton Cash, very informative about her and Bill's corruption and crime they committed once leaving the white house

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schweizer

"He is also Breitbart News Senior Editor-at-Large."

No one wants to read a 256 book about conspiracy theories and lies.

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13 minutes ago, uo111 said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schweizer

"He is also Breitbart News Senior Editor-at-Large."

No one wants to read a 256 book about conspiracy theories and lies.

Watch the film, they use real evidence and claims to back up the movie. Hillary is a corrupt, life long politican who put our country in danger by putting classified material on a server less secure than gmail and lied directly to the American people, the FBI, and apparently doesnt know what a C means on a document. She had a pay for play scheme with the Clinton Foundation while Secretary of State. She was corrupt. But I have to admit, a hard working woman. She did make a lot of mistakes but I have to give her that.

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I mean she already ran a campaign before and lost to Obama, who discredited Clinton as a good president. So that already discouraged some liberals from voting for her. Then Bernie Sanders and Trump dragged her though the mud this election, so it's not surprising she lost, I guess.

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1 hour ago, Gaga Monster said:

I do admire Hillary's tough struggle in the realm of politics. But these past 15 years, she has proved she is the most corrupt politican to run for office in modern times. I recommend watching Clinton Cash, very informative about her and Bill's corruption and crime they committed once leaving the white house

No offence, but this is part of the problem. 

People are not raised and educated to be critical enough of information they receive from the media to be able to ascertain what is true or not. A sizable amount of Trump supporters still believe Hillary is a corrupt criminal that deserves to be locked up, and even Trump knows that it is false. She is not any more corrupt than any other politician, shes not even as corrupt as TRUMP IS. Look at all of the news post his winning the election. It basically boils down to "Trump lied about almost literally everything! Who could've guessed this?" He's even partially admitted it to his supporters  

When reports came out throughout the entire election cycle about how fake and slant all of these scandals that made her "corrupt" were (compared to the decades of real, verifiable, proven accounts of Trumps corruption and ineffective business running  ), when people involved in all of these scandals came out and said "Uhm, that's not true", when people that fact check politicians for a living speent hours of their time writing reports about the truth and setting the record straight, people just put their fingers in their ears and said "But shes corrupt! I just know it! With all of this reporting on it, theres no way she isn't!" 

Part of the problem is that we have no way currently of monitoring fake news. That and news networks should be held to a higher ethical standard than they are. The most watched news station literally lies to its viewers and occasionally even has people on it that promote sexist, racist, homophobic, xenophobic behavior and attitudes  And by lie, I don't mean by slant or roundabout different perspectives. They have been known to literally say things that are false or use propaganda to encourage their viewers to adopt a belief that they know themselves is not true (or to the extent they promote). It's just so unethical  

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5 hours ago, PartySick said:

Half of these fools are still hung up on the #BernieOrBust thing. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Lefties need to get our collective sh*t together 'cause we're fighting a well organized and amoral enemy (regressives and the GOP establishment) 

Millennials have proven themselves to be unreliable. Democrats are going to pull more to the middle and back to working class voters in the next four years. Progressives will lose ground...most of them just don't know it yet. 

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8 minutes ago, ItsTommyBitch said:

No offence, but this is part of the problem. 

People are not raised and educated to be critical enough of information they receive from the media to be able to ascertain what is true or not. A sizable amount of Trump supporters still believe Hillary is a corrupt criminal that deserves to be locked up, and even Trump knows that it is false. She is not any more corrupt than any other politician, shes not even as corrupt as TRUMP IS. Look at all of the news post his winning the election. It basically boils down to "Trump lied about almost literally everything! Who could've guessed this?" He's even partially admitted it to his supporters  

When reports came out throughout the entire election cycle about how fake and slant all of these scandals that made her "corrupt" were (compared to the decades of real, verifiable, proven accounts of Trumps corruption and ineffective business running  ), when people involved in all of these scandals came out and said "Uhm, that's not true", when people that fact check politicians for a living speent hours of their time writing reports about the truth and setting the record straight, people just put their fingers in their ears and said "But shes corrupt! I just know it! With all of this reporting on it, theres no way she isn't!" 

Part of the problem is that we have no way currently of monitoring fake news. That and news networks should be held to a higher ethical standard than they are. The most watched news station literally lies to its viewers and occasionally even has people on it that promote sexist, racist, homophobic, xenophobic behavior and attitudes  And by lie, I don't mean by slant or roundabout different perspectives. They have been known to literally say things that are false or use propaganda to encourage their viewers to adopt a belief that they know themselves is not true (or to the extent they promote). It's just so unethical  

I disagree, she should be locked up. The fact that she put the country in danger (according to the FBI) by putting top security material on a server less secure than gmail and easily accessible, is a crime. She lied to congress and the FBI and the american people. A man was put into prison for taking a picture in a military submarine, he did much less and was locked up, everyone should be treated fairly. There is also a clear connection with corruption in the Clinton Foundation and her being Secretary Of State: WASHINGTON (AP) — More than half the people outside the government who met with Hillary Clinton while she was secretary of state gave money — either personally or through companies or groups — to the Clinton Foundation. It's an extraordinary proportion indicating her possible ethics challenges if elected president. 

- A sports executive who was a major donor to the Clinton Foundation and whose firm paid Bill Clinton millions of dollars in consulting fees wanted help getting a visa for a British soccer player with a criminal past.

- The crown prince of Bahrain, whose government gave more than $50,000 to the Clintons’ charity and who participated in its glitzy annual conference, wanted a last-minute meeting with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

She also accepts money from countries like Saudi Arabia, Quatar, and other terrorist like nations who kill women and gays. 

She also accepts money from special interests which means that if you give money to her, you get something in return.

From all the presidential elections I have studied, I don't think I have ever seen a person more corrupt than her. She should be ashamed of herself for all the bad she has done and I don't feel bad for her that she lost the election, she isn't a good person.

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10 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Millennials have proven themselves to be unreliable. Democrats are going to pull more to the middle and back to working class voters in the next four years. Progressives will lose ground...most of them just don't know it yet. 

Don't count the progressives out yet, we can still win the party. 

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12 minutes ago, Born To Slay said:

Don't count the progressives out yet, we can still win the party. 

The progressives are an unreliable voting block. Unreliable voting blocks don't win, they stay on the edges. 

Democrats are going to embrace the reliable and go back to their main base. Just watch over the next four years. 

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3 minutes ago, Whispering said:

The progressives are an unreliable voting block. Unreliable voting blocks don't win, they stay on the edges. 

Democrats are going to embrace the reliable and go back to their main base. Just watch over the next four years. 

Prepare to never win another election

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Just now, Redstreak said:

Prepare to never win another election

Nah, that's how Democrats started winning again, back with Bill Clinton. You've got to move towards those who will actually show up to vote. 

If you want to be heard as a group, show up and vote! Otherwise, you become unreliable. 

Why are the tea partiers an important subsection of the GOP? Because they show up to vote in every single election...local, state, and the general. They show up to vote for the school board! That's how they have become a segment that the party has to consider.