ArtPLAUSE 1,252 Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, VenusBlackStar said: Based on this I feel you are either very privileged, very cynical, or a sociopath (or all of the above) [...]I'm also not suggesting that you are a sociopath or any of those things henny No, I haven't read it. I wish I were very privileged but I am not - I have my average share of privilege maybe? I really don't understand if you (not you specifically) really feel the empathy you say you feel toward people and their microscopic problems. That doesn't feel normal to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoxo Craig 55,649 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 24 minutes ago, ArtPLAUSE said: Some of you are gonna get punched in the face by life so hard I'm not religious but I'll pull a Gaga and pray for your little pure souls Why? Karma bitch End Racism Now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOTNebraskaGuy 19,547 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 39 minutes ago, Supersonic said: That sounds very much like the opposite of having "no mental condition". Lack of empathy is not normal. Just because people aren't "normal" doesn't mean you have to diagnose them with some medical condition haha One, five, ten lay a million on me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleFandor 204 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I find the behaviour of some of you disturbing. Someone here is speaking out and opening up and you guys dismiss it by just saying he might have got a mental health issue. Whats even worse... That you simply say: "If you dont harm anyone else its ok...". Did you really think about what you are saying here? If this person might have a mental health issue, you think its ok to just say: "if you dont harm anyone its ok..." ... And that even with a harsh tone. I needed to share this, sry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtPLAUSE 1,252 Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 9 minutes ago, Squeeshy Keety said: I'm sorry, what was the point of this thread? The point is to ask how other fans with a similar mindset reacted to Gaga's shift It's literally written 7 minutes ago, Sister said: So. You'd rather follow celebrities who are superficial and just give the hits and don't have human cares about all else? No? Do you think Gaga during the fame was an useless celeb? Homework: listen to TF(M) interviews. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batwings 12,885 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 16 minutes ago, Squeeshy Keety said: I'm sorry, what was the point of this thread? To try to get a rise out of other anti-PC "heroes" who "aren't afraid to tell it how it is"? I have seen no significant change in Gaga's demeanor surrounding social issues. She has always made it clear what matters to her, and even if a fan can't relate to these issues, I think her passion is an inspiration in itself. She actually wants to spread kindness, which is far more admirable than minimizing the pain of others. This is almost exactly what I was going to post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VenusBlackStar 1,301 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, ArtPLAUSE said: henny No, I haven't read it. I wish I were very privileged but I am not - I have my average share of privilege maybe? I really don't understand if you (not you specifically) really feel the empathy you say you feel toward people and their microscopic problems. That doesn't feel normal to me The idea of empathy itself is rather complex. The first dictionary definition of it is "the psychological identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another." So in other words it's putting yourself in someone else's shoes, seeing their pain from their perspective the best you can, and then understanding that person's pain, whether someone has gone through a similar experience or not. One big example is the LGBTQ+ community. My heart breaks when I read stories about young gay/trans/genderqueer kids being abandoned by their families and living on the streets. I feel this way not because I've experienced it myself but because I as a gay man COULD have had that happen to me. I'm fortunate enough to have that circumstance NOT be a narrative of my life. I thought about what these kids' stories were and then what I would have done if I had to do what they did, and I realize I probably would have had to go through the same things. Or the crisis in Syria. As an American citizen, I don't deal with the stuff Syrians over there have to deal with on a daily basis, and I don't have any friends or family over there. However, a friend I care about is from Syria and has loved ones in Aleppo. This makes me feel empathy for those people for two reasons: because I care about my friend and am saddened by his pain, and again the thought of what it must be like to have to go through what those people go through daily. Empathy is what drives people to look past themselves and see the bigger picture. Yes, it may also be a little paradoxical as well, though, because while you are thinking of others, it's a self-centered act to feel emotional and driven to action when you visualize yourself in alternative positions. But that's my perspective on it because I don't believe in TRUE altruism. In the egoism vs. altruism debate, I'm an egoist (not to be mixed up with EGOTIST) lol Sorry for the essay but I like talking about things like this with peoples Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister 9,907 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 7 minutes ago, ArtPLAUSE said: The point is to ask how other fans with a similar mindset reacted to Gaga's shift It's literally written No? Do you think Gaga during the fame was an useless celeb? Homework: listen to TF(M) interviews. That is YOUR homework, I read and lived those interviews back then. She is the same girl, just pouring her fame behind important issues that she knows about by experience. The future's uncertain and the end is always near. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpookyKid 15,153 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 8 minutes ago, ArtPLAUSE said: The point is to ask how other fans with a similar mindset reacted to Gaga's shift It's literally written No? Do you think Gaga during the fame was an useless celeb? Homework: listen to TF(M) interviews. Homework for ya: listen to the Joanne interviews Life has a hopeful undertone |-/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannydevito 10,658 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 11 minutes ago, ArtPLAUSE said: The point is to ask how other fans with a similar mindset reacted to Gaga's shift It's literally written No? Do you think Gaga during the fame was an useless celeb? Homework: listen to TF(M) interviews. what an incredibly rude way to say things Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtPLAUSE 1,252 Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, SpookyKid said: Homework for ya: listen to the Joanne interviews Where she literally laughs at her previous behaviour. [cc @Sister] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addison Rae 16,737 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 ok buy million reasons on iTunes sitting on his lap sipping diet pepsi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpookyKid 15,153 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 6 minutes ago, ArtPLAUSE said: Where she literally laughs at her previous behaviour. [cc @Sister] She just did it for Volantis, and I would too Life has a hopeful undertone |-/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtPLAUSE 1,252 Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 13 minutes ago, VenusBlackStar said: The idea of empathy itself is rather complex. The first dictionary definition of it is "the psychological identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another." So in other words it's putting yourself in someone else's shoes, seeing their pain from their perspective the best you can, and then understanding that person's pain, whether someone has gone through a similar experience or not. One big example is the LGBTQ+ community. My heart breaks when I read stories about young gay/trans/genderqueer kids being abandoned by their families and living on the streets. I feel this way not because I've experienced it myself but because I as a gay man COULD have had that happen to me. I'm fortunate enough to have that circumstance NOT be a narrative of my life. I thought about what these kids' stories were and then what I would have done if I had to do what they did, and I realize I probably would have had to go through the same things. Or the crisis in Syria. As an American citizen, I don't deal with the stuff Syrians over there have to deal with on a daily basis, and I don't have any friends or family over there. However, a friend I care about is from Syria and has loved ones in Aleppo. This makes me feel empathy for those people for two reasons: because I care about my friend and am saddened by his pain, and again the thought of what it must be like to have to go through what those people go through daily. Empathy is what drives people to look past themselves and see the bigger picture. Yes, it may also be a little paradoxical as well, though, because while you are thinking of others, it's a self-centered act to feel emotional and driven to action when you visualize yourself in alternative positions. But that's my perspective on it because I don't believe in TRUE altruism. In the egoism vs. altruism debate, I'm an egoist (not to be mixed up with EGOTIST) lol Sorry for the essay but I like talking about things like this with peoples Ok, that might even be interesting, but I don't see what it has to do with my OP. I stated that I do feel empathy per se, and even if I didn't it wouldn't impact Gaga's behaviour Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impostor 4,114 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 31 minutes ago, Sister said: Gaga is standing up for herself and speaking out instead of holding it all in, as she used to do. Gaga is creating a public dialogue to help change the ways in which people perceive certain issues, just as she has done in the past on other subjects, that she also had a hand in changing how things are perceived by the public, in a great and brave way, as people against her mindset are calling her a whiney celebrity, lazy, a victim and too privileged in many ways to have a minority opinion on an issue. Gaga is using her platform to help make this sorry world a better and more tolerable place. Gaga is also taking risks in her current work, against what is expected of her and is living with the majority of her fanbase taking jabs at her and disrespecting her, but she is still doing her thing IN A PROUD and loud way. People like You are the ones crying every day, in front of your computer screen, NOT Gaga. So. You'd rather follow celebrities who are superficial and just give the hits and don't have human cares about all else? Follow some other useless celebrity. There are plenty for you to follow. That's the same bs we read everyday. Just because someone feels different it doesn't mean they are bad. The guy just said how he feels and you're already telling him to go away! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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