Is Gaga unappreciative of the role of business in the art industry?

[REALITY 77,412]

1 minute ago, Katie14 said:

I do think Gaga agrees with this sentiment as well but Gaga also wants to have a voice in the world. She wants to influence people. Now more than ever she wants to use her platform to raise awareness of social issues and help people. She won't be happy if she just creates art the pleases herself. 

That's definitely true. I'm not trying to undermine anything she's done. She certainly wants to make an impact on the world, but I think that's rather more through direct statements and her incredible activism. Sometimes she combines the two, like with the music from BTW, or her wearing the meat dress, but I guess I just like to put her activism in its own category. 

[Fame IV 4,426]

I have to disagree with you. She is one of the most famous people in the world and such an influential superstar because she is smart and educated.

Gaga is a very talented person on singing, performing and writing music, but is also a person who has a cultural background. I remind you see wrote essays about art. She is a very educated person on this issues and the reason she is different from the other artists is her ability to express her ideas in pop culture. She knows her place in pop culture and her vision is on long-term.

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9 minutes ago, Katie14 said:

 She won't be happy if she just creates art the pleases herself. 

Then I'm assuming she's completely unhappy this era because nobody else is pleased. 

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3 minutes ago, Economy said:

I agree 100%. Good voice and good performer but theres more involved in delivering well and she does a bad job with the rest

 

The team she had before helped her do better. Now her work quality other than the music is live performances is meh. Especially in music video production  

 

40 minutes ago, oliphanty said:

I think her biggest problem is she's pretty talentless at everything but singing, writing and performing but doesn't have the self awareness to see it.

I don't think that's true. You don't think she has creativity in her storytelling? She wrote the treatments for all her music videos. 

[Supersonic 49,376]

3 minutes ago, Economy said:

I agree 100%. Good voice and good performer but theres more involved in delivering well and she does a bad job with the rest

 

The team she had before helped her do better. Now her work quality other than the music is live performances is meh. Especially in music video production  

No offense, but you barely sound like a fan. If you really think like that, I think you're wasting your time on here.

[Katie14 4,828]

Just now, oliphanty said:

Just because she is intelligent doesn't mean she has the perspective and eye to see written ideas through into visuals or films. The Guy video in styling and theme was completely dated and out of touch - a great artist defines culture by either being dead on with what is happening in society or ahead, marry the night, alejandro and born this way were overlong and the editing in the edge of glory and million reasons is a disaster.

This is totally off topic but how exactly is the GUY video outdated and out of touch? I love that video. 

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3 minutes ago, oliphanty said:

From 2011 onwards there was an economic downturn and recession which saw people drawn to more stripped back things in art, music and fashion. Examples of this include the huge success of Adele's 21 album. Guy saw gaga dressing flamboyantly dripping in diamonds despite the GP resolutely telling gaga they were bored and fatigue by that kind of image by late 2011...it was dead and buried by 2013 and people could not care less by 2014 which is why that song and video did nothing. Great artists are in touch with society culturally in terms of trends and the mood...gaga was not and never seems to be.

It seems that Gaga wants her art to be appreciated for its form and not necessarily for its function. Sometimes you have to know what the public wants and what the trends are in order for your work to connect with people. But Gaga has always been or tried to be a trend setter. Its possible to create something left wing and then have people start to follow you. Im not necessarily talking about GUY, just in general. 

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This thread is a good read  :legend: 

[SilkSpectre0 547]

I think she is appreciative of business if it helps and encourages artists to be creative and doesn't diminish the soulfulness of the art by enforcing their business needs into the creative process. Because businesses will always want the quickest profit, that's why they would rather have an artist replicate easy quick hits or the same old trends. Some are smart and invest in artists who will offer a bigger payout through longevity and cultural impact. Whenever Gaga has been supported by a brand like live nation or doritos for example she was very vocal in her appreciation because they just helped to amplify her doing her thing rather than telling her what to do . In fact they were better businessmen for taking a risk.

[StrawberryBlond 14,919]

Thing is, the business aspect to things does have a purpose. Without the business aspect, you wouldn't be getting promotion or hype and that is what makes you sell. That's why a lot of indie acts get nowhere, because they're not getting those things out of a teeny little label, not because the public doesn't like their music. If something in the business aspect promotes you and helps you sell, an artist should try to be compliant. Gaga takes it very personally when a single choice is changed or she's forced into making a song a single that she didn't want. But she shouldn't be. The label makes a radio and GP friendly choice of song in order for her to get the chance of a hit, more exposure, more album and concert sales. If she went for all the risky choices, she wouldn't be as rich, successful or iconic as she is today. And I'm sorry, but if I were an artist, I would take more generic singles being released over being poor and irrelevant. Because if I can reel an audience in through a commercial song, they can then listen to my album, hopefully buy it and go to my concert too. Being commercial gets you the attention you need and once you've got the loyalty from these people, they can enjoy the rest of your album's material. Singles are for the public, albums are for the fans, it's as simple as that. Gaga clearly didn't want Million Reasons as a single right now (or maybe even ever) but the fact remains that it was the perfect song for this time of year. Ballads go over well in the winter, music tends to slow down at this time of year, plus she has yet to release a ballad as a single and could do with a change to get noticed. So, when it took off better than A-Yo, it was a no-brainer to make the switch and A-Yo can always wait until a more appropriate time. Her label, for the most part, know what they're doing.

You see, labels are supposed to be the voice of reason amid the artist's claims for creative control. If an artist was allowed to do whatever they want (provided that they're not naturally generic), they'd never get anywhere. I think they should be allowed reasonably free rein on an album but for single choices, best to leave it to the label. There are some artists out there who have too much creative control, if that's possible. They're surrounded by yes men who just let them do whatever. And their albums are shockingly bad because of it. You listen to it and think: "How did this get green-lighted?" But it does because labels are iffy with who they give control to. I think there should be a good balance between the two - letting an artist make the material they want but having the backbone to tell them when they've made a piece of s**t with that freedom.

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

Gaga is a very smart businesswoman.

But her style of business is high-risk, high-return.

Most businesspeople are textbook middle-of-the-road.

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35 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said:

Gaga is a very smart businesswoman.

But her style of business is high-risk, high-return.

Most businesspeople are textbook middle-of-the-road.

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[sipthistea 21,099]

She got tired of it when her management didn't give a f*ck about her, and they were using her as a money machine. 

She knows about business, but she fights against the control of money over creativity. They could both work in a moderate way.

[Jay.P 2,336]

I think TFM had the perfect balance between creativity and business. Not that I care anymore, but today I'd rather have  creativity from her, as it seems that she wants total freedom.

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1 hour ago, Supersonic said:

No offense, but you barely sound like a fan. If you really think like that, I think you're wasting your time on here.

How so??? She had less creative control before and ill be honest, I liked her old work better!